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Posted: Wednesday Sep 17th, 2008 08:27 AM |
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Thought I’d put this on here because everywhere else this information has gone up, it has been taken down.
This is what happened Saturday night with the USCA race at Cottage Grove Speedway.
Gary Davis entered the night leading the points standings by a whopping 20 points with 247. Mark Nichols was in second with 227 and Pat Canfield in third with 223.
Basically, Gary needed to run the trophy dash and heat race, and start the main event to mathematically win the series championship.
Things are not always as easy as they seem when you run in USCA, though.
A year earlier Gary trailed Keary Morris by a few points entering the final night of the points chase. For that race, and only that race, the starting procedure was changed to start the points leaders up front rather than the normal pill draw procedure. In order for Gary to win the championship, Keary would have had to screw up. It happened when Keary’s car wouldn’t run, but in stepped Keary’s friend, Nichols, who allowed Keary to drive his car. It was a great show of sportsmanship for a friend to allow someone to drive their car.
Keary won the championship, and was a worthy champion. Still, the management of the Oregon Doubleshot Series for the first time stung Gary.
After winning three races this season, Gary was on a roll. But many people who have formerly raced with the series told Gary he would get screwed one way or another.
They were right.
Nichols chose not to race with USCA, instead choosing to compete in the non-wing race at Willamette Speedway in Lebanon, a few miles up Interstate 5 from Cottage Grove. Willamette, not coincidentally, had scheduled its race early in the year, while the Oregon Doubleshot Series added its race late in the season.
At Cottage Grove, Gary won the trophy dash from the last starting position, finished second in his heat race while Canfield finished third in his heat race. In the main event, Gary challenged for the lead early, but backed off and finished fourth. Canfield finished 12th.
The championship was Gary’s.
Prior to the main event, though, the management of the series had told all the drivers, except for Gary, that they would pump the engines of all finishers — a fine idea, though not one practiced in the series in years if ever — following the main event.
Once Gary finished, he and his crew loaded up the trailer and headed out of the track in an attempt to compete in the main event at Willamette.
After he left, though, a competitor yelled that Gary would be disqualified because he left, and told Canfield he was the champion. Gary knows enough people at Cottage Grove that the word quickly was radioed to him that he would be disqualified if his engine weren’t pumped so he should turn around and come back to the track. He did.
Gary’s engine was determined to be 357 cubic inches, well smaller than the rules state and smaller, in fact, than most of the other driver’s.
If this sounds like a conspiracy theory, it is in part.
The fact is, though, the management of the series, including owner Mike McCann, don’t like Gary. Why? He tried to get races in places where McCann’s name is cursed like Willamette Speedway and Sunset Speedway. Those tracks won’t have anything to do with McCann because of his past, unethical business practices.
Still, the racers like these tracks, and Gary wanted to help get racers like him who want to run non-wing sprint cars and midgets get their feet in the door at these tracks.
That, and Gary talks a lot. At great length. Whether you want him to or not.
That is why the management doesn’t want him as their champion.
If one were to check, the Oregon Doubleshot Series, USCA and NOMA have never been registered with the state of Oregon, they have never been incorporated and have no tax records.
It is a dysfunctional group to say the least. There is little to no communication with the drivers. There have been two or three pit meetings at all the series’ races this season.
The pay is another issue. The series used to pay $1,000 to win on a regular basis for the Intermountain races. No longer. When the darlings of the series win now, they get paid $1,000 for their win. When Gary picked up each of his three wins this season with the series, he was paid $600.
Gary helped to negotiate more money to be paid, not only to the winner but to the entire field for races at Willamette and Sunset.
Those tracks have paid less money than they would for a USCA and NOMA race, but pay out better than the series does. Figure that one out.
It would not be a surprise if a USCA and NOMA race were added later in the year to spite Gary. At Cottage Grove, the series management asked the track management following the race if a race could be added in October. The answer was no, but don’t be surprised if a double or triple points race were added. After all, Gary has enough points to skip a single points race, if one were added, and still win the championship.
At Willamette Speedway during the pit meeting Saturday night, track promoter Bill Arnold told the crowd that he and Sunset Speedway manager Ralph Puncochar had been in discussions and would put on non-wing sprint car and midget races next year in conjunction with each other, and they would try to add another track to the mix.
Why does any of this matter?
Racers want to race. They don’t want to fight over politics. They just want to race.
Yeah, I use a lot of words, but I'm just a dumb dwarf car driver.
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Posted: Wednesday Sep 17th, 2008 10:04 AM |
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Johnny Late Model wrote: Thought I’d put this on here because everywhere else this information has gone up, it has been taken down.
This is what happened Saturday night with the USCA race at Cottage Grove Speedway.
Gary Davis entered the night leading the points standings by a whopping 20 points with 247. Mark Nichols was in second with 227 and Pat Canfield in third with 223.
Basically, Gary needed to run the trophy dash and heat race, and start the main event to mathematically win the series championship.
Things are not always as easy as they seem when you run in USCA, though.
A year earlier Gary trailed Keary Morris by a few points entering the final night of the points chase. For that race, and only that race, the starting procedure was changed to start the points leaders up front rather than the normal pill draw procedure. In order for Gary to win the championship, Keary would have had to screw up. It happened when Keary’s car wouldn’t run, but in stepped Keary’s friend, Nichols, who allowed Keary to drive his car. It was a great show of sportsmanship for a friend to allow someone to drive their car.
Keary won the championship, and was a worthy champion. Still, the management of the Oregon Doubleshot Series for the first time stung Gary.
After winning three races this season, Gary was on a roll. But many people who have formerly raced with the series told Gary he would get screwed one way or another.
They were right.
Nichols chose not to race with USCA, instead choosing to compete in the non-wing race at Willamette Speedway in Lebanon, a few miles up Interstate 5 from Cottage Grove. Willamette, not coincidentally, had scheduled its race early in the year, while the Oregon Doubleshot Series added its race late in the season.
At Cottage Grove, Gary won the trophy dash from the last starting position, finished second in his heat race while Canfield finished third in his heat race. In the main event, Gary challenged for the lead early, but backed off and finished fourth. Canfield finished 12th.
The championship was Gary’s.
Prior to the main event, though, the management of the series had told all the drivers, except for Gary, that they would pump the engines of all finishers — a fine idea, though not one practiced in the series in years if ever — following the main event.
Once Gary finished, he and his crew loaded up the trailer and headed out of the track in an attempt to compete in the main event at Willamette.
After he left, though, a competitor yelled that Gary would be disqualified because he left, and told Canfield he was the champion. Gary knows enough people at Cottage Grove that the word quickly was radioed to him that he would be disqualified if his engine weren’t pumped so he should turn around and come back to the track. He did.
Gary’s engine was determined to be 357 cubic inches, well smaller than the rules state and smaller, in fact, than most of the other driver’s.
If this sounds like a conspiracy theory, it is in part.
The fact is, though, the management of the series, including owner Mike McCann, don’t like Gary. Why? He tried to get races in places where McCann’s name is cursed like Willamette Speedway and Sunset Speedway. Those tracks won’t have anything to do with McCann because of his past, unethical business practices.
Still, the racers like these tracks, and Gary wanted to help get racers like him who want to run non-wing sprint cars and midgets get their feet in the door at these tracks.
That, and Gary talks a lot. At great length. Whether you want him to or not.
That is why the management doesn’t want him as their champion.
If one were to check, the Oregon Doubleshot Series, USCA and NOMA have never been registered with the state of Oregon, they have never been incorporated and have no tax records.
It is a dysfunctional group to say the least. There is little to no communication with the drivers. There have been two or three pit meetings at all the series’ races this season.
The pay is another issue. The series used to pay $1,000 to win on a regular basis for the Intermountain races. No longer. When the darlings of the series win now, they get paid $1,000 for their win. When Gary picked up each of his three wins this season with the series, he was paid $600.
Gary helped to negotiate more money to be paid, not only to the winner but to the entire field for races at Willamette and Sunset.
Those tracks have paid less money than they would for a USCA and NOMA race, but pay out better than the series does. Figure that one out.
It would not be a surprise if a USCA and NOMA race were added later in the year to spite Gary. At Cottage Grove, the series management asked the track management following the race if a race could be added in October. The answer was no, but don’t be surprised if a double or triple points race were added. After all, Gary has enough points to skip a single points race, if one were added, and still win the championship.
At Willamette Speedway during the pit meeting Saturday night, track promoter Bill Arnold told the crowd that he and Sunset Speedway manager Ralph Puncochar had been in discussions and would put on non-wing sprint car and midget races next year in conjunction with each other, and they would try to add another track to the mix.
Why does any of this matter?
Racers want to race. They don’t want to fight over politics. They just want to race.
Yeah, I use a lot of words, but I'm just a dumb dwarf car driver.
Gary Davis screwed himself! He made a choice and Mike McCann showed him who was still in charge. I absolutely think it was the best move McCann could have made! Surely it was NOT PERSONAL, JUST BUSINESS!
Davis and his Klan should have showed the whole Oregon race scene that their efforts to bury McCann were more important than a plastic trophy from a series that you Mr. Johnny Late Model states to be dysfunctional. I sure as hell wouldn't want a trophy from group like that, would you? Yep, if you think about it that way, it shows you (and Gary Davis) are without credibility.
As for the $1000 to win purses- did you consider it was Davis's group that is fortifying the usual low purse that is paid through the receipts from the back-gate? Increasing the purse in order to draw the ill-informed or thoughtless away from USCA? What's the purse going to be once USCA is no longer around and the "new group" is getting their butt kicked on the track and their attempts to show favoritism to their drivers are protested?
You better know that they'll take their checkbook back and leave the idiots that followed them, high and dry to face Willamette and Sunset by themselves. And we all remember what happened at Sunset in 07, when the track attempted to short USCA on their purse.
If it is as you say "racers want to race. they don't wont to fight over politics" then you better think about what you are doing posting this POLITICAL BULLCRAP.
Cheers to Mike McCann! After all the years of very hard and demanding work and countless dollars have been spent to develop the sole wingless and dirt midget series in the Northwest, anyone can use the lure of $$$ to get the sheep all corralled and heading to the butcher.
Mike McCann unethical??? For as long as I've known and raced for Mike he's always delivered! How many races have you run for him? Did he short you on your nightly pay-out? What do you call Gary Davis and the rest of the backstabbers? Any of them have a criminal record?
As for the insinuations that McCann is operating without paying taxes- Thats a big statement you make. Has it occurred to you that USCA could be a sole proprietorship and possibly taxes can be paid personally, or maybe USCA is part of another entity? No, you probably didn't think of that because your head so far up somebody's rear and the pressure squeezed the blood from your pea brain.
You remind me of a Magpie. You didn't come up with this crap on your own, which means somebody fed you a bunch of BS because they knew you'd post it. Had it been credible information they would have posted it themselves.
But don't think your post is wasted on me. There is one item you did truthfully write- You are just a dumb dwarf car driver! No slam to dwarf car racers, each community has their village idiot. Too bad he showed up here to spew his unfounded crap!
The attached photo- not McCann but is named Mike. I bet McCann has a story or two on this car and driver.
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Posted: Wednesday Sep 17th, 2008 05:27 PM |
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What do you mean "Nearly Screwed"????????
Don't you mean "TOTALLY SCREWED", or haven't you heard the latest..........
We desided , of course after Gary left again, that we would do a tripple point split and in this manner, we deduct three points from Gary for every person we like and then just split them up any way we want........so in the end, I actually became the new champion, well mostly because that's what McCann wanted......PLEASE
Can anyone tell me why, if Mr. Davis felt so screwed over last season he would want to come back??? Would you????
So if at the last race last season, the line up went from a pill draw to a points lineup with the two leaders on the front row to shoot it out, HOW DOES THAT SCREW DAVIS???? Davis was the one telling everybody the pill draws were rigged in the first place..........I Gaurentee you that Gary will always have someone and something to complain about.
Everbody knows who I am and I will gladly sign my name
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Posted: Wednesday Sep 17th, 2008 05:27 PM |
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It would shock me to find out that a news paper columist may report, or make statements in a public forum from a biased point of view or even from rumors without stating it as such.
I would think that a good reporter or columist would want to build a reputation of being one who sought out the facts and truths.
Maybe that is the differance between the two, reporter and columist? I didn't think of that.
What's you take on it Bill?
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Posted: Wednesday Sep 17th, 2008 11:06 PM |
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Just to clarify a little something nobody came to me after we were done racing and said that because Gary left that I was to be the champion. Whoever told you that mislead you
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Posted: Wednesday Sep 17th, 2008 11:14 PM |
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| Ahhh, Pat, don't worry about it....the guy who started this thread wasn't even there and is just writing up a bunch of hearsay and rumors..........
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Posted: Wednesday Sep 17th, 2008 11:35 PM |
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| Some facts were stated you guys did pump the motors after the race just curious you never pumped any motors last year or for that fact you did not pump any motors last race at Cottage Grove so out of curiousity why this time. Tony any input
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Posted: Thursday Sep 18th, 2008 01:23 AM |
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| finally someone who doesnt live in disneyland. i applaud you jonny late model. even though the facts may be off just slightly, they are closer than any i have yet read. i have no idea who you are but you obviously have some working knolege of this group. this new group has money and resorces to get this deal done. 14 sprint cars and 14 midgets showed at lebanon and put on an awesome show, and thats a very good start. it not ownly shows that alot of cars are not happy with the current leadership at noma/usca, but it shows the ability of the new group to generate cars as well as purse money and sponsorships, something that has been lacking in noma/usca. if not for the work of a midget driver, they wouldnt even have their lexus deal, and im sure if you audit those funds you will be surprised how little actually made it to the teams. i wish each and every team the best in their future decisions, but i also urge you to look at your options. 2 new sprint cars are being sought after for this new series and i will be seeking a car to run as well. how many new sprint cars or midgets are coming to usca/noma. no one did as much or worked as hard as my team and i to bring new cars in this year. in closing, i need to thank all the usca/noma powers that be for starting this new assn, after all, it was entirely your doing... and i for one will be suporting it! keary morris Last edited on Thursday Sep 18th, 2008 01:26 AM by sprinter 11x
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Posted: Thursday Sep 18th, 2008 01:37 AM |
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Sprintcar9. Two years ago it was stated at our annual banquet that cars were going to be scaled at the beginning of the season so some sort of a weight rule could be established and that cars would be randomly pumped.
Did/have we weighed cars? No.
The reason why cars were never scaled up until this point is that nobody really wanted the responsibility of policing this issue and being accountable for this tech issue after the races. There were talks between members with in hours of this being said on how some should add weight the first couple races to offset the averages and so on. Upoun an informal review it was deemed unnecessary primarlly due to a lack of any "Unfair" weight advantages of the competitors at that point in time.
Did/have we pump motors until recently? No.
Many times rules, and the tools to enforce them have to evident in some manner or there really isn't a need for the rule because there isn't a way to enforce it.
Until the begining of this season, there had been no accusations that any motors in either the NOMA midgets or USCA sprints was illegal. It was evident that we had reached a point that this needed to be done and how we would choose to do it was debated by officals for some time. Eventually, the most effective and efficent way of doing this was at random races,pump the top 3 finishers and any 1 alternate after a main. We will announce to drivers at the stagging area for the main.
This had intended to be done at the 8/6 race at Madras. With tention apparent and this being the last club race for a handful of teams that had voiced intentions of racing WS, I believed, as well as others that those folks would cry foul as if we had done it that night. So, CG scheduled classes were light. Our club car count would be light and this would be the perfect time to try out this technique and procedure. And it was.
The irony of the whole evening was that the Davis team who had publiclly stated so many times that they would not be there and confirmed that they would not be there at the 8/6 Madras race did show and were the only ones to have any issue with it. Davis had made and accusation at the begining of the year that a motor was illegal and that's what got this whole thing going to begin with.
And in the end, it doesn't matter how hard conflict is attempted to be avoided, someone will always find falt in anything if they try hard enough.
Tony
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Posted: Thursday Sep 18th, 2008 03:27 AM |
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| A question...sort of the same situation arose a few years back...Vince was in a wreck in his heat and my dad offered his car to Vince. Mike, after long deliberation, said it was ok but he had to start at the back of every event. My dads car had some mechanical issues so it didnt matter. I guess my question is this...did the person battling Gary for the title(Keary I believe) have to start in the back? Just wondering. Congrats on a good season all around for everyone. Too bad Vinnie isnt still running...would be fun running a few USCA races and at Willamette.
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Posted: Thursday Sep 18th, 2008 03:33 AM |
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parkerracing wrote: Ahhh, Pat, don't worry about it....the guy who started this thread wasn't even there and is just writing up a bunch of hearsay and rumors..........
Just for partinship I do not know any of you in this post and have not one loyalty to anyone. But when he says no one came up and explained he was the championship, I and outsider would believe him.
And besides, who needs all that verbage to try and convince someone? JMHO thats all.
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Posted: Thursday Sep 18th, 2008 04:08 AM |
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edit(MandGracing) I can ansewer that one because I was there and I was one of the guys asked about it.
There is no were in the rules any statements addressing the substitution of any part on a car or the entire race car before any race. Since we do not qualify there would be no issues with sandbagging or qualified tire on qualified tire sorta of thing. All that was require by the board was that legal sized numbers of the car number he entered under and had raced with be on the car in a legal manner( visable, 16" tall) for the purpose of score keepers and officals IDing the car and driver.
Hope that ansewered you question.
Tony
Added: I do not recall if Morris had ran his heat or not. I think he hadn't. Again, I am not clear on this, but it wouldn't fire for hot laps I believe.
If Vinnie wrecked out of the Heat (Main qualifier), he would have gone to the back of the Main and unless there was a B-Main, he would have only been sent to the back once.
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