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so far your the only one committing to the series in 2007.... which I am assuming because I have not even heard or read you saying you would commit to the 2007 season............ so last weekends car count would have increased by 1.
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| Holy smokes Greg did you do that math without being on the button? Don't we have two more callers before the flop? Guess what....if I had a set of ASCS heads it also would have increased the car count by 1. Or wait maybe some of the Skagit cars that were parked could have considered making the trek down if they knew they could. Who knows?
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SR wrote: Funny before there was ever mention of ASCS back in 2001 there was 37 cars in September. You guys hold whatever cards you want in your hands.....just remember I'm the dealer.
BUT, between 2002-2005 there were less cars WITH AN OPEN MOTOR RULE!
I think that the end of the season brings on less racers because of loss of equipment and motors such as Jeff Thompson and Winningham.
BTW, where was Van AAgten? I know I didn't spell it right!
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SR wrote: Holy smokes Greg did you do that math without being on the button? Don't we have two more callers before the flop? Guess what....if I had a set of ASCS heads it also would have increased the car count by 1. Or wait maybe some of the Skagit cars that were parked could have considered making the trek down if they knew they could. Who knows?
Excellent point.... That is a whole lot of maybe's and that is my point .... there are 40+ cars that have made the switch to ASCS and have witnessed the benefits .... I do not think it is right to now change the rules on these guys for what could or "maybe" happen. We have heard for years that if you do this or that the Skagit cars will support it well check history..... and it will show you that it really has not happened .... majority of Skagit cars are just that "Skagit Cars."
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LMAO..This is actualy gettin entertaining! 
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Michelle N. wrote:
BTW, where was Van AAgten? I know I didn't spell it right!
They are done for the year...... had nothing to do with their ASCS motor. Just wrapped up early as many do. Watch for a press release about 2007 from this camp.
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No need for a logo change here....my logo is merely a SR inside a shape. You imply it or familiarize it with something else. Maybe you and the other two callers should practice before you try to call my bluff. And correct me if I'm wrong but there is usually one of the biggest car counts of the year at Yakima? Why would that be?
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SR wrote: No need for a logo change here....my logo is merely a SR inside a shape. You imply it or familiarize it with something else. Maybe you and the other two callers should practice before you try to call my bluff. And correct me if I'm wrong but there is usually one of the biggest car counts of the year at Yakima? Why would that be?
You win Shawn lets dump on those 40 guys so you can run then all will be well in the world. Best of luck..........
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| Shawn you and I have both talked about this ascs deal and you have some good points but the only one we truely agree apon is the +/- 1 percent that are the true ascs rules. We need to do it a 100 percent so that you can buy the national rule motors for cheeper than a open headed. I got a good idea why don't we alow open heads just not allpro heads? How you like them apples?
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| Engine Rules 360 Cubic Inches: plus 1% maximum displacement (360 plus 1% = 363.6). Last edited on Tuesday Sep 19th, 2006 07:40 PM by Buddha
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SR wrote: No need for a logo change here....my logo is merely a SR inside a shape. You imply it or familiarize it with something else. Maybe you and the other two callers should practice before you try to call my bluff.
I know I stated I wouldn't offer my opinions on any of your subjects Shawn, but I think your logo and its likeness to Superman is a great promotional idea. Your fans love it. Don't change a thing.
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| If I recall, about 20 years ago the open sprint car world put a 410 ci limit on their engines. I don't believe they had any handi-cap to allow those who had big blocks, they just did it. It's been 3 years since the ASCS thing started here. With over 80% of the country ASCS, I feel it is a no brainer. Last edited on Tuesday Sep 19th, 2006 10:01 PM by speedbuggy
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SR wrote: No need for a logo change here....my logo is merely a SR inside a shape. You imply it or familiarize it with something else.
Sorry Shawn ... not only did I familiarize it with something else your email address implied that was the idea: rsuperman76@msn.com
http://www.shawnriceracing.com/contact.htm
Sorry if I was wrong. GB (meant to stand for Greg Burgess)
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Entertaining thread indeed.
It is quite insightful to see everyone's opinions on this, and to think about when we started running at Elma... it was the first of the 3 year ASCS changeover, we were starting anew, and had to make a decision about running an open motor. Talked a lot to both Fred and Marc about what to do - in the end, we made a decision to spend the extra money on an open motor, go all the way, and have fun with it while we could. I don't regret it at all - made the decision knowing I would have to again invest in switching, and anticipating that there would still be a market for open motors when I did. Fred had a vested interest in us running ASCS motors, and yet was completely open and honest in saying that, as a racer, he would have gone with as much HP as the rules allowed. Always loved his honesty.
Ed Evans set the track record that year with an airflow-headed motor that I think is absolutely comparable to an ASCS motor. Against the best new Ott and Shark motors. He then came back with an open headed motor and didn't best his time. While interesting data points, I think it still proves that there is a lot more to this and who does well than the 50hp that is generating so much drama. Track conditions and, well, the driver.
As near as I can tell, the primary stakeholders in this are the fans, the promoters, and the drivers. So what are their interests? Fans? Cars. Promotors? Fans and cars. Drivers? Places to run.
I am a strong subscriber to Fred's vision of ASCS and what it would bring. I like the flexibility of being able to run anywhere. Do I feel I am giving anything up when I go to Skagit and run in a sea of open motors? Absolutely nothing. What I give up is squarely on me as a driver, and honestly I think has little to do with the contentious 50hp.
I honestly feel that ASCS motors and the rule are in the best interest of the drivers. Getting the flexibility in where to run, and yes, cost. Yes, the motors are similar in cost to buy, but our experience is that they differ significantly from there. We ran 25 races this year and only bought a set of valve springs mid way through. Not a hiccup all year. $3500 for a freshen and I am good to go like new next year, without giving anything up on anyone else. No new heads, nothing. There was an article on Gary Lee Meier (I think it was) and how he runs a demanding ASCS schedule with two motors, and how much mileage he gets out of each. Its impressive.
Do I really care if they open the rules up to allow open motors to run also? From my perspective (not that it matters) absolutely not. Mitch set a blistering track record again this year, with an ASCS motor. Travis Rutz ran a 10.4 lap during our heat Saturday night at cottage grove - well below his previous track record. Again with an ASCS motor. I think the fact that they intend to do a lot of R&D work to find a way to bring the power on the open motors in line with the ASCS motors is great - letting these folks run, I think, is a win for everyone. I just don't see who loses. If anything, the only pain is on the driver with the open motor who can't go to Knoxville and run the 360 nationals or the Tournament of Champions (for example). The rest is on us as drivers... the guys who are winning are going to win regardless of whether they have an ASCS motor under the hood or a limited open motor, and I don't think its going to matter what their competitors are running.
More cars are good for everyone. ASCS motors are, in many folks' opinions, better for drivers. But I for one am okay letting them figure it out on their own. I didn't have the year this year that I wanted to, but it wasn't a motor thing, it was a me thing. More cars to run against? Good for me - maybe I will learn faster. But I honestly want to run against all our friends - Skagit, Elma, Oregon, Montana, Idaho, and California alike. The decisions made here aren't going to affect who wins next year. Good drivers are going to win next year - ASCS motor or open motor.
Just another opinion....
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Dereki91 wrote: Entertaining thread indeed.
It is quite insightful to see everyone's opinions on this, and to think about when we started running at Elma... it was the first of the 3 year ASCS changeover, we were starting anew, and had to make a decision about running an open motor. Talked a lot to both Fred and Marc about what to do - in the end, we made a decision to spend the extra money on an open motor, go all the way, and have fun with it while we could. I don't regret it at all - made the decision knowing I would have to again invest in switching, and anticipating that there would still be a market for open motors when I did. Fred had a vested interest in us running ASCS motors, and yet was completely open and honest in saying that, as a racer, he would have gone with as much HP as the rules allowed. Always loved his honesty.
Ed Evans set the track record that year with an airflow-headed motor that I think is absolutely comparable to an ASCS motor. Against the best new Ott and Shark motors. He then came back with an open headed motor and didn't best his time. While interesting data points, I think it still proves that there is a lot more to this and who does well than the 50hp that is generating so much drama. Track conditions and, well, the driver.
As near as I can tell, the primary stakeholders in this are the fans, the promoters, and the drivers. So what are their interests? Fans? Cars. Promotors? Fans and cars. Drivers? Places to run.
I am a strong subscriber to Fred's vision of ASCS and what it would bring. I like the flexibility of being able to run anywhere. Do I feel I am giving anything up when I go to Skagit and run in a sea of open motors? Absolutely nothing. What I give up is squarely on me as a driver, and honestly I think has little to do with the contentious 50hp.
I honestly feel that ASCS motors and the rule are in the best interest of the drivers. Getting the flexibility in where to run, and yes, cost. Yes, the motors are similar in cost to buy, but our experience is that they differ significantly from there. We ran 25 races this year and only bought a set of valve springs mid way through. Not a hiccup all year. $3500 for a freshen and I am good to go like new next year, without giving anything up on anyone else. No new heads, nothing. There was an article on Gary Lee Meier (I think it was) and how he runs a demanding ASCS schedule with two motors, and how much mileage he gets out of each. Its impressive.
Do I really care if they open the rules up to allow open motors to run also? From my perspective (not that it matters) absolutely not. Mitch set a blistering track record again this year, with an ASCS motor. Travis Rutz ran a 10.4 lap during our heat Saturday night at cottage grove - well below his previous track record. Again with an ASCS motor. I think the fact that they intend to do a lot of R&D work to find a way to bring the power on the open motors in line with the ASCS motors is great - letting these folks run, I think, is a win for everyone. I just don't see who loses. If anything, the only pain is on the driver with the open motor who can't go to Knoxville and run the 360 nationals or the Tournament of Champions (for example). The rest is on us as drivers... the guys who are winning are going to win regardless of whether they have an ASCS motor under the hood or a limited open motor, and I don't think its going to matter what their competitors are running.
More cars are good for everyone. ASCS motors are, in many folks' opinions, better for drivers. But I for one am okay letting them figure it out on their own. I didn't have the year this year that I wanted to, but it wasn't a motor thing, it was a me thing. More cars to run against? Good for me - maybe I will learn faster. But I honestly want to run against all our friends - Skagit, Elma, Oregon, Montana, Idaho, and California alike. The decisions made here aren't going to affect who wins next year. Good drivers are going to win next year - ASCS motor or open motor.
Just another opinion....
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Dereki91 wrote: As near as I can tell, the primary stakeholders in this are the fans, the promoters, and the drivers. So what are their interests? Fans? Cars. Promotors? Fans and cars. Drivers? Places to run.
Yes, a great post Derek. Insightful perspective with complete honesty.
I would add two things - that the car owners have a stake as well, and the fans want to see close action with a host of drivers capable of winning - as long as their driver wins! 
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| Looks to me like if GB and BT would have steped up to the table like the Wilskey's the NST would still be.To little to late so we sit and we wait the bashing of SR looks to be a little Passive Aggresive to me.
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Tugco wrote: Looks to me like if GB and BT would have steped up to the table like the Wilskey's the NST would still be.To little to late so we sit and we wait the bashing of SR looks to be a little Passive Aggresive to me. LOL -spoof. I somehow knew you couldn't do it. Last edited on Wednesday Sep 20th, 2006 01:13 AM by
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Yes, good point. I am painfully an owner/driver, so I often lump the two together, but you are correct - owners are equal stakeholders. Equally, I think their best interest is in the driver, and not this argument.
Because I find this topic so interesting, I just re-read all the posts. A couple of things.. and before I get into these, I want to be honest about my orientation. Fred got me into sprint cars, as was like a father to me in the racing world. Marc Huson is a close friend and my son's godfather, so I am slanted there as well.
1. Someone asked about numbers. I asked Marc to do the best he could for me, and many will acknowledge that while I may not have done the best job of driving, I had one of the best open motors out there. 744hp and 615ft/lbs torque. My ASCS motor? 698hp and like 608ft/lbs of torque. Folks can debate numbers from different dynos, but the benefit here is that these were both done on the same dyno, so you get some inisght as to the relative difference between the hardest hitting motor of each that was available at the time. My driving experience? The ASCS motor took off a little better, and was more consistent. The open motor did hit harder on the top, and qualifying on a sticky track I am sure it was slightly better. But again, I had some qualifying issues this year, and it was all driving. Not a motor thing. Wide open isn't always the way.
2. A lot of these arguments are about what Fred would have wanted, or orientation toward where he was heading, honoring his vision, etc. Remember first and foremost that Fred was the racer's promoter. So many fond recollections of how he helped folks... he was all about getting everyone out on the track who wanted to be out there - including yours truly. I mentioned above that Fred was like a father to me in what I loved to do most - got me my first go-kart when I was 15, etc. Just like a father, he was willing to do what wasn't necessarily popular to show you what was the right thing to do. People can debate political agendas all day long, but I know from many long conversations that Fred was in the ASCS game to help the racers. Cost, flexibility, etc. The whole Skagit drama is a deeper topic about personal relationships and principle that isn't worth getting into, but you have to understand that these things contribute to stronger messages. Fred had pressure to help folks understand what the right thing was. That was hard, but I have no doubt of his true intent, and that would NEVER be to have anyone parked. A guy showed up from skagit to elma with an econo-sprint during a weekend he couldn't run at Skagit, and he wasn't allowed to run because he didn't have ASCS heads. I know in my heart that Fred would NOT have wanted that. It wasn't what he was trying to achieve.
Fred wanted the best show for racers and fans alike. Fred had to take hard stances, and was quite willing to do so, but he also understood and was willing to take on what he felt was best for everyone. It was, and still is, so inspirational.
Folks have to agree that NST vs WoO on the same night in our region wasn't ideal. One night of Civil War at Skagit and one at Elma would have been the best for everyone - what a win for fans and drivers alike. Equally, a way to allow civil war and unity in our region is also the best. There are some great drivers at Skagit that people can only speculate about how they would do against the best from Elma. I would rather quit the speculation and find a way for us all to run together. I COMPLETELY agree that ASCS is the way and the long term vision. Let it happen organically, and for today, I would applaud folks for finding a way to make it happen in a fair way.
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WOW great responses DEREK! I have been trying to get those points across and couldn't find the words quite like you. I am not sure what these three guys are thinking as they are making their calls? I mean do they really have the best hands? The River just hit and I think they are about to get washed up.
Blueteam is holding A-K of hearts (cause he loves me so much)
GB is holding K-8 of clubs (cause he is the leader of this club)
and Sprintcarz is holding 8-7 of hearts (cause he and BT are looking for companionship)
SR is holding K-J of Diamonds (cause he's always been a little cocky)
Flop comes Q of hearts, 9 of diamonds, and 10 of hearts
BT is working on a Royal Flush, GB is drawing for a Straight, as well as Sprintcarz is working towards the Straight Flush, while SR Flopped the nuts straight.
Turn is the 3 of clubs....no help
River is 6 of spades!
Moral of the story....these guys are all a........(fill in the blank)
Second off I have some parts for my ASCS engine on order so I'm not sure why you guys assume I will have an open engine next year as I said in previous posts that I would do whatever it takes to run next year and I have never argued that the ASCS head rules aren't the way to go. The reasoning behind my posting is to try and make everyone realize our rules still don't bring us up to speed with the rest of the country. If our rules are going to differ then why not make them so anyone and everyone can race as long as the playing fields are level? Because a few guys have beef with Skagit or the two promoters had differences? What about the Fans or Owners or Drivers from Skagit that want to get experiance somewhere outside of Skagit without spending thousands to run when Skagit isin't?
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SR wrote: Blueteam is holding A-K of hearts (cause he loves me so much)
Well, if you knew me as well as you pretend to know me, you would know that poker is, was, and will never, be my game. I prefer Blackjack - a much simpler game. Not so much drama either. Of course, the stakes are lower, but I don't need a lot.
Anyhow, thanks for giving me the A-K - I think I'll stand. Um, that does pay 1 1/2 times - right?
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and Sprintcarz is holding 8-7 of hearts (cause he and BT are looking for companionship)
I thought Sprintcarz had a 9-10 earlier? You just dealt him 2 pair on the flop. That could be dangerous considering your nuts straight is now in question.
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Either way he didn't make his full house. And if you only knew that blackjack is easy to play but hard to win at. Didn't you win $40,000 or so playng poker online? Or was that blackjack? Either way I'll give you 3 to 2 on your blackjack since your betting table minimum. I'd be willing to bet you'd take even money if I had an "ACE" up!
Pretty typical for you guys to change the game once all the chips are in the pot.
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| Glad that this thread has drivers giving their opinions. I think everyone is in agreement that ASCS is the future of 360 racing. But till we get everyone in the fold, at least NSCS is making the attempt to bring everyone together. If you look at what the Wilskey`s are facing, a traveling series that really only shares the rules of ONE track at this point, It`s really the obvious decision. I do hope the two Oregon tracks make the switch, but I haven`t heard for sure that the change is still happening, and no one can verify..... makes you wonder??
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SR wrote: And if you only knew that blackjack is easy to play but hard to win at. Didn't you win $40,000 or so playng poker online? Or was that blackjack? Either way I'll give you 3 to 2 on your blackjack since your betting table minimum. I'd be willing to bet you'd take even money if I had an "ACE" up!
Pretty typical for you guys to change the game once all the chips are in the pot.
 Ya, one of my downfalls, always surrounding myself with a challenge. And yes, won playing blackjack - have never played poker as I stated, but 40,000? A slight exaggeration. 40,000 would have been enough for an open 360 motor. I only won enough for a couple of AA's. Don't know about even "ACE" up stuff, but I do know what table I sat down at, and it wasn't poker, and I would never go all in. Always leave yourself enough for bus fare.
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SR wrote: Sprintcarz is holding 8-7 of hearts (cause he and BT are looking for companionship)
Since your coming out in 2005 I would think your "gaydar" would have gotten a little more use and be more refined.
BT & I as companions: Once again you're wrong. Getting to be habbit for you now isn't it.
As for holding 8-7 hearts- unless I can rip them out myself they aint worth holding.
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Dereki91 wrote: Yes, good point. I am painfully an owner/driver, so I often lump the two together, but you are correct - owners are equal stakeholders. Equally, I think their best interest is in the driver, and not this argument.
Because I find this topic so interesting, I just re-read all the posts. A couple of things.. and before I get into these, I want to be honest about my orientation. Fred got me into sprint cars, as was like a father to me in the racing world. Marc Huson is a close friend and my son's godfather, so I am slanted there as well.
1. Someone asked about numbers. I asked Marc to do the best he could for me, and many will acknowledge that while I may not have done the best job of driving, I had one of the best open motors out there. 744hp and 615ft/lbs torque. My ASCS motor? 698hp and like 608ft/lbs of torque. Folks can debate numbers from different dynos, but the benefit here is that these were both done on the same dyno, so you get some inisght as to the relative difference between the hardest hitting motor of each that was available at the time. My driving experience? The ASCS motor took off a little better, and was more consistent. The open motor did hit harder on the top, and qualifying on a sticky track I am sure it was slightly better. But again, I had some qualifying issues this year, and it was all driving. Not a motor thing. Wide open isn't always the way.
2. A lot of these arguments are about what Fred would have wanted, or orientation toward where he was heading, honoring his vision, etc. Remember first and foremost that Fred was the racer's promoter. So many fond recollections of how he helped folks... he was all about getting everyone out on the track who wanted to be out there - including yours truly. I mentioned above that Fred was like a father to me in what I loved to do most - got me my first go-kart when I was 15, etc. Just like a father, he was willing to do what wasn't necessarily popular to show you what was the right thing to do. People can debate political agendas all day long, but I know from many long conversations that Fred was in the ASCS game to help the racers. Cost, flexibility, etc. The whole Skagit drama is a deeper topic about personal relationships and principle that isn't worth getting into, but you have to understand that these things contribute to stronger messages. Fred had pressure to help folks understand what the right thing was. That was hard, but I have no doubt of his true intent, and that would NEVER be to have anyone parked. A guy showed up from skagit to elma with an econo-sprint during a weekend he couldn't run at Skagit, and he wasn't allowed to run because he didn't have ASCS heads. I know in my heart that Fred would NOT have wanted that. It wasn't what he was trying to achieve.
Fred wanted the best show for racers and fans alike. Fred had to take hard stances, and was quite willing to do so, but he also understood and was willing to take on what he felt was best for everyone. It was, and still is, so inspirational.
Folks have to agree that NST vs WoO on the same night in our region wasn't ideal. One night of Civil War at Skagit and one at Elma would have been the best for everyone - what a win for fans and drivers alike. Equally, a way to allow civil war and unity in our region is also the best. There are some great drivers at Skagit that people can only speculate about how they would do against the best from Elma. I would rather quit the speculation and find a way for us all to run together. I COMPLETELY agree that ASCS is the way and the long term vision. Let it happen organically, and for today, I would applaud folks for finding a way to make it happen in a fair way.
I think thats all for now
Wow Derek..welcome aboard and thanks for the great posts..Very insightful.
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You and BT companions huh? Interesting.......guess it's your "gaydar" that has all the use and has become refined. Thanks for passing along to everyone that you and BT are companions though.....I don't think this is the place to announce that though.
And as far as folding your connected suiters....probablly a good move as you only had 13 outs.
BT...I'm not sure how much you won and wasn't trying to exaggerate I just heard it was an impressive number. So what table (limits...min. / max bet) did you make this run on? You would be paying too much for your open 360....mine was only $25,000.
Funny how this subject seems to be turned away from the actual points I've made for you three guys to try and get one up on me when your story doesn't hold up as well as you'd like....
GB- I haven't ever asked anyone to dump on 40 guys for my behalf. We all know it would have really been 24-26 anyways. I just think you guys should take a look at the bigger picture as Derek and many others have stated.....ya know kinda what shawna and dick are trying to accomplish for ALL of US next year!
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SR wrote:
BT...I'm not sure how much you won and wasn't trying to exaggerate I just heard it was an impressive number. So what table (limits...min. / max bet) did you make this run on? You would be paying too much for your open 360....mine was only $25,000.
Funny how this subject seems to be turned away from the actual points I've made for you three guys to try and get one up on me when your story doesn't hold up as well as you'd like....
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I ask that you go back and reread this entire string. I posted one link to show a previous discussion in regard to car count concerns. One post in regard to my personal conversation and opinion about how Fred felt. One smarty pants post answering Greg's question about who would run an open motor. (this one was just a private joke between Marshall and myself and I'm surprised you didn't get the 9 + 10 cards he was holding - it had nothing to do with you - think about it - do the math) I never responded to any of your posts except to say I thought your logo was a good one.
And then you enter the arena with your smartass attempt to discredit me/us - again. You linked Greg, Marshall, and myself together with your paranoia. Thats cool. You know more. You are the one who stands to gain or lose the most. I promised you I would not get involved with any of your opinions on any subject, and aside from giving you credit for a good logo, I have done just that, until you started your attacks. I asked for one thing in return, and you can't do it. Not surprising.
FB gave the Northwest 3 years to get on board the ASCS program - and most did. Now, some want to go back, or if I read it right, drag it out a little longer after most of the teams have fulfilled the criteria. I don't have the answer for it, other than to say - IF FB were still here - none of you would be acting this way. SO, I go back to my original post in this thread which said - what has changed?
Here's the answer - June 16th = opportunist
Mine, is not a story. Mine, as I alluded to in previous posts, is one of opinion and based on personal conversations and knowledge learned from FB. As for trying to one up you - its impossible - you know everything - which puts me at a distinct advantage. I have the opportunity to learn.
Your story, however, keeps changing. In one message you say you have an ASCS engine. In another you say its coming. In another you say you've had two engines, one open, one ASCS since the inception, and you've made the choice. Which is it? Don't bother answering me. My memory isn't near as good as some, and any answer you give will not hold water - trust me on this one - it goes back 3 years and someone out there has it documented - ACE. One thing I always tried to teach you Shawn - you can't have it both ways. But you know more.
Take some pills for your paranoia. I'll be working on your sign.
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I am not parranoid I'm just tired of you three stooges posting directly after me and taking your little shots.....or bashing me. So if you guys wanted to play like that then it's cool but I didn't want it to ever get to this point. I still don't get the 9, 10 thing and don't really care.
I have two engines as I have stated in the past. My first engine was an ASCS headed engine and we still own it. Sure I could run it but we were convinced by several people back in 2000 that we should atleast port our heads because no one out here runs those things. So needless to say I'll sell you a set of slightly ported heads. That is all that engine needs to run....but as stated before there is a difference between being competative and competiting. So that leaves me with my open engine that needs some serious dough thrown at it to make the converson and be competative. Which I've ordered up about $7,500 worth of parts and working my butt off so I can pay for the rest. Making sense yet?
June 13th = life changing experience/tragedy
June 16 = disaster struck and change is enevidable
I am not sure why you can't just say what table you won your money on? Simple answer will work for this one......I'm just curious to know? THATS IT so quit being so parranoid.
I hardly know everything but what I do know I will not put in your next topic.
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SR wrote: I am not parranoid I'm just tired of you three stooges posting directly after me and taking your little shots.....or bashing me. I still don't get the 9, 10 thing and don't really care.
June 13th = life changing experience/tragedy
June 16 = disaster struck and change is enevidable
Actually, I think Greg is the stooge. He's the only one who attempted to argue with you - until now. Sorry Greg, I warned you. Here Greg, let me show you what it looks like.
9+10=19
June 13th - agree
June 16th - disaster - yes - change inevitable? That is what I would argue, and so would most who have posted on this board on this subject. In fact, that is most of the argument. Change doesn't need to take place - they(the racers) already changed - others wouldn't follow the lead. But thats just their opinion.
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CARCRASH wrote: Can we all just get along.???
<<<<<<<SR PM wrote: Since your a gambling man as of late I'd be willing to bet (not your house as I don't want one with wheels) anything that this problem will end up in a confrontational meeting.
LMMFAO!
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| What happened to the subject at hand? Why not just agree to disagree?
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Just curious, is this the longest thread ever? LOL!
The ASCS motor rule had 3 years for everyone to get on board with. We did it 3 years ago, and was one of the first to win with an ASCS motor in NST competition. Bill thinks more highly of ASCS motors than open motors. He has been an outspoken advocate of the ASCS motor. I'm just the one who tells it on the internet.
Derek, I showed Bill your posts, and he is in agreement with you about what the car '"feels" like with the different motors.
Maybe this thread should be locked, because it just got down to personal bashing and not on the subject anymore.
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That was in a PM and I won't show the world what you did or said to provoke me....I will not stoop that low.....yes even I have my limits. Once again you couldn't answer the question and had to resort to that. Smooth!
I for one am all about agreeing to dissagree. I think this thread should move on to Blueteams next post anyways. It's 20 hp to the first person to get it right! LOL
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SR wrote: That was in a PM and I won't show the world what you did or said to provoke me....I will not stoop that low.....yes even I have my limits. Once again you couldn't answer the question and had to resort to that. Smooth!
I for one am all about agreeing to dissagree. I think this thread should move on to Blueteams next post anyways. It's 20 hp to the first person to get it right! LOL
Show 'em Shawn. I call.Last edited on Wednesday Sep 20th, 2006 06:00 PM by
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| You ment to say "hit" and you "busted"
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