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GregB wrote: CurtK wrote: ....you can smell Gilroy from miles away.....
Is Gilroy a girl? 
I can't wait to see if you get away with that one or not......lol.....
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GregB wrote: CurtK wrote: ....you can smell Gilroy from miles away.....
Is Gilroy a girl?
Not that I know of, but if you are going simply by smell Eureka might be.
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racemom4469 wrote: Whatever you guys, are NOT funny!
 knew a girl that was nick named canyons hmmm
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| Anything that cuts down on dust I'm all for. That's actually one reason I like watching the hornets, is because they don't make dust!
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Inlaws wrote: Anything that cuts down on dust I'm all for. That's actually one reason I like watching the hornets, is because they don't make dust!
Someone put me upright, I just fell out of my chair.
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Skippy wrote: Inlaws wrote: Anything that cuts down on dust I'm all for. That's actually one reason I like watching the hornets, is because they don't make dust!
Someone put me upright, I just fell out of my chair.
Don't worry- I've got at least a dozen reasons why I don't like them, but fair is fair and they don't produce dust. So- that's cool.
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Wow your so witty.
So I guess you must believe that he is doing everything that is possible to make for the best track every week. If you do you are delusional and should figure out some way of waking your self up. Good luck with that. Let us all know when you come back to reality.
I just choose to not rank on the man that provides me and my family a safe place to enjoy watching what we love best. Course, I could add onto the ripping he gets, but what does that prove. Naw, I'll take the high road and say a hearty THANK YOU to Mr. Beitler for having me and for trying to make things right. Sorry he is not perfect and the track comes out perfect every week. Neither does Elma or Eldora or any other race track..... But...that's OK, you continue with what you're doing....
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Theres been plenty of bitching at elma this year... about to much water... the difference is u can tell them during the night and theyll try to hot lap every one twice to burn it off and make a racetrack.
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Hey Jayme.... congrats on the year you had. It was a total JOY watching you race..... just love it when you pull up with the open trailer and then put a beat down on those boys with the big rigs with tons of everything....hehehehehe...
Guess I'm just tired of all the crap that floats on the boards. Princess seems to think Steve has unlimited resources.....doubt it. And I'll bet Steve is trying to get the track just right. If I remember correctly (tongue in cheek), Steve was a driver before too. If he is anything like the rest of us - and I bet he is - he wants the best for what he used to do. Doesn't mean that he will always make the best decision/choice, but at least he is trying. What is everyone here doing? Just ripping him for trying..... I'll admit I'm not priivy to the 'backgate' discussions or whatever goes on in the pits, but this is my view from Section A.....
Is April here yet?
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I've only been around the racetrack for two years, so I'm not going to pretend I know anything about the science of a good racetrack. Nor have I ever talked with Steve. But I have been a businessman my whole life, so maybe I can share some thoughts that seem to be overlooked here.
1. The track was sold for a reason. Either the prior owner wasn't making a profit (or worse, taking a loss), or lost interest in owning the track, or could make a good profit on selling it. I don't think it was the latter. I can't imagine that there are very many buyers out there for a racetrack. So what would have happened if Steve didn't buy it? An owner with no money to put into the track, or no desire to make improvements. Either way, thank you Steve for buying the track.
2. I've been in the stands. Sometimes the dust is horrible. My wife refuses to go back. She likes the racing, but the dust overrides that. I know what some of you will say already. "A true race fan would still go." True. However, no sporting venue can survive on just the diehard fans. There are not enough of them to keep the doors open. You NEED the casual fans, and a lot of the casual fans are being lost because of the dust. Or worse, one night I had the whole family there. It was very dusty, then started to rain. Everything was then covered in mud. So, Steve has to be concerned with the dust in order to have enough fans in the stands.
3. I've been in the pits. I've heard the drivers complain. I sponsor a 360, I've heard very negative things said about the track (to be polite). If the drivers are tearing up their cars, there won't be enough cars to put on a good show and the fans won't come out. So, Steve has to be concerned with having happy drivers.
4. From what I've read it is extremely difficult to have a track that is good for the drivers AND have a track the keeps the dust down so you have happy fans. So, I look to see if the owner is making an effort to solve the problem. And from what I've seen he is. I see the pictures of the new "surface" and all those truckloads of "organic material" and I see dollar signs. Not to mention the amount of work that it took. I'd say that shows commitment.
5. In my business, if something isn't working right I do everything I know how to do first. Then I try something that I think might work. Then, if it still doesn't work, I call an expert for help. Is that not exactly what Steve just did?
I can understand making concerns known to Steve, but I don't understand the personal attacks I've seen on here. Fans want to see a good show without being sandblasted. Drivers want at least two lanes so they can actually race. But the bottom line is, like it or not, it is a business. Steve has the daunting job of trying to balance all this and still make enough money to keep the doors open, let alone (god forbid) make a profit.
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Inlaws wrote: best post i've read om here in a long time!
Now I am agreeing with you, this could get ugly.
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Amen Paul, Amen.....
I too will agree with Inlaws (though I have in the past....)
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Isn't it amazing that what I perceive to be from a successful businessperson, is one of the more sensible posts on the Skagit Speedway forum. Obviously the track has some of the more passionate fans or it wouldn't be one of the most monitered places here. And it's been that way since day one......on Mikeys site also. Just the way it is.
Here's my tongue-in-cheek response.....Hey Steve....just pave the joint !!!!!
No more dust....no more too much water on a hot day.....easier to dry out on a wet day....etc etc etc.
Just kidding.......Skagit wouldn't be Skagit if everybody couldn't watch people slipping on their rears trying to get out of the infield when it's raining......lol.
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I never paid close attention to your avatar Curt - a 2-person supermod!!!!!! Now that must be quite a ride!.....
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dn1967 wrote: I never paid close attention to your avatar Curt - a 2-person supermod!!!!!! Now that must be quite a ride!.....
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I think Davey Hamilton still has it somewhere....but I don't think it's been on the track for awhile. If I remember correctly it's somethng that Dan Drinon started for Davey and Jim Burrow may have helped finish. I have had the chance to ride in the 2 seater sprint car with Kenny Hamillton over at Meridian but although this super was at several shows I was working I never did get a chance to take a ride in that one. I'd like to do that someday.....
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Paul99..... You have probably just made the most intelligent post on the Skagit Speedway forum. I can't tell you how much i agree with you on this. Well said dude... very well said. 
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paul99 wrote: I've only been around the racetrack for two years, so I'm not going to pretend I know anything about the science of a good racetrack. Nor have I ever talked with Steve. But I have been a businessman my whole life, so maybe I can share some thoughts that seem to be overlooked here.
1. The track was sold for a reason. Either the prior owner wasn't making a profit (or worse, taking a loss), or lost interest in owning the track, or could make a good profit on selling it. I don't think it was the latter. I can't imagine that there are very many buyers out there for a racetrack. So what would have happened if Steve didn't buy it? An owner with no money to put into the track, or no desire to make improvements. Either way, thank you Steve for buying the track.
2. I've been in the stands. Sometimes the dust is horrible. My wife refuses to go back. She likes the racing, but the dust overrides that. I know what some of you will say already. "A true race fan would still go." True. However, no sporting venue can survive on just the diehard fans. There are not enough of them to keep the doors open. You NEED the casual fans, and a lot of the casual fans are being lost because of the dust. Or worse, one night I had the whole family there. It was very dusty, then started to rain. Everything was then covered in mud. So, Steve has to be concerned with the dust in order to have enough fans in the stands.
3. I've been in the pits. I've heard the drivers complain. I sponsor a 360, I've heard very negative things said about the track (to be polite). If the drivers are tearing up their cars, there won't be enough cars to put on a good show and the fans won't come out. So, Steve has to be concerned with having happy drivers.
4. From what I've read it is extremely difficult to have a track that is good for the drivers AND have a track the keeps the dust down so you have happy fans. So, I look to see if the owner is making an effort to solve the problem. And from what I've seen he is. I see the pictures of the new "surface" and all those truckloads of "organic material" and I see dollar signs. Not to mention the amount of work that it took. I'd say that shows commitment.
5. In my business, if something isn't working right I do everything I know how to do first. Then I try something that I think might work. Then, if it still doesn't work, I call an expert for help. Is that not exactly what Steve just did?
I can understand making concerns known to Steve, but I don't understand the personal attacks I've seen on here. Fans want to see a good show without being sandblasted. Drivers want at least two lanes so they can actually race. But the bottom line is, like it or not, it is a business. Steve has the daunting job of trying to balance all this and still make enough money to keep the doors open, let alone (god forbid) make a profit.
Excellent post Paul.. You expressed it just exactly how I was thinking it.. Thankyou
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| Princess310, don't keep us in suspense, what are these resorces you are refering to that are available in the NW? I will personally go tell him. Who is it that he won't listen to? Is it someone with track knowledge or just a person with an opinion? Give us some names. You seem to be in the know of what it takes so why don't you tell all of us? Better yet why don't you tell Steve? He is easy to talk to (well, maybe a little tougher on Saturday nights, but pressure and strees can do that to you). Call him (360-724-3567) or stop by the track or even email him (skagitspeedway7@hotmail.com) but mostly stop bit**en and start being proactive with all of us to have a better race track to come to. How many times do you need to be told that gypsum disolves into the dirt when rototilled and watered and does not 'blow' around. The stuff drywallers use is in it's dry pure form and not deluted by several hundred times. Have you seen a wet piece of sheet rock? No dust at all. Steve told me that they have been using gypsum for the past 5-6 years, but untill now he hasn't said anything about it. I bet he wishes he wouldn't have told anyone what he is doing, but then we would complian about that too. Come on princess310, share your knowledge and not your BS.
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| It seems to me that a constructive conversation always gets turned into personal attacks on here. Questions and opinions, we all have them........ justafan... Why dont you change your screen name to your real name so that we know who all the behind the keyboard tough guys are. Chad Reid
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see what you started chad........ ha ha ha ha
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| Easy Chad, I was simply asking pricess310 to share her knowledge so we could all know what's available. She gets on here and slams Steve and what is being done and not being done at Skagit and makes claims directed at him. I asked for the information she is talking about and even offered to take it to Steve. She shouldn't accuse someone for not doing something if she can't produce what it is that he should be doing or using, that's all I was getting at. Your expertise is in building roads. Roads designed to carry heavy loads and not break up or deteriorate, if Skagit was going to be paved I am sure your knowledge would be most helpful.
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justafan wrote: Princess310, don't keep us in suspense, what are these resorces you are refering to that are available in the NW? I will personally go tell him. Who is it that he won't listen to? Is it someone with track knowledge or just a person with an opinion? Give us some names. You seem to be in the know of what it takes so why don't you tell all of us? Better yet why don't you tell Steve? He is easy to talk to (well, maybe a little tougher on Saturday nights, but pressure and strees can do that to you). Call him (360-724-3567) or stop by the track or even email him (skagitspeedway7@hotmail.com) but mostly stop bit**en and start being proactive with all of us to have a better race track to come to. How many times do you need to be told that gypsum disolves into the dirt when rototilled and watered and does not 'blow' around. The stuff drywallers use is in it's dry pure form and not deluted by several hundred times. Have you seen a wet piece of sheet rock? No dust at all. Steve told me that they have been using gypsum for the past 5-6 years, but untill now he hasn't said anything about it. I bet he wishes he wouldn't have told anyone what he is doing, but then we would complian about that too. Come on princess310, share your knowledge and not your BS
Wow thanks for the attack Justafan. I don't feel the need to call or email Steve. Thanks for the info though. If Steve hasn't wanted to listen over the last several years I doubt that will change now. It's his business and he is free to do with it what ever he pleases. And I've already said I could care less about the dust as long as the track was raceable. I am all for a better track and hope that what Steve is doing this off season will make for it.
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princess310 wrote: justafan wrote:
If Steve hasn't wanted to listen over the last several years I doubt that will change now.
I think that Steve reads this message board and weeds through what he feels are valid complaints and makes improvements where and when necessary and possible. I've seen improvements, it's just not possible to make everyone happy.
Just my opinion folks. Have a nice day!
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| steve reads this, may not coment but he reads.. but heck he could be justafan too...
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justafan wrote: Easy Chad, I was simply asking pricess310 to share her knowledge so we could all know what's available. She gets on here and slams Steve and what is being done and not being done at Skagit and makes claims directed at him. I asked for the information she is talking about and even offered to take it to Steve. She shouldn't accuse someone for not doing something if she can't produce what it is that he should be doing or using, that's all I was getting at. Your expertise is in building roads. Roads designed to carry heavy loads and not break up or deteriorate, if Skagit was going to be paved I am sure your knowledge would be most helpful.
As much as I enjoy the Campground, mabe that would be a good spot for a paved track or even a road course. Never know...............Maybe a Bristol style track to bring those Nascar guys our way.Last edited on Saturday Oct 25th, 2008 06:02 PM by Goodwrencher
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I much rather him try to do something to make the track more race able like hes trying to do....than just sit and leave it after the way it was last year
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Probably a stupid question here...
Why cant they just put different clay down? Why do we have to get inbto all this gypsum nonsense. Look at other tracks that are good on dust and get some of what they have got.
on a side note, from what ive seen its more about how the track is preped then whats in it.
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| Jason I think if it were really that easy I think it would have been done. I'm sure the weather plays a factor, along with a bazillion other things, amount of rain, amount of vegitation, amount of water drain off, who walked on it last...I'm sure its quite complicated, but hey, you might just have come up with a solution!
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I'll put my 2 cents worth in on this track resurfacing. What ever you do don't use organic material.
I recently was on a road job where we had to clean up a "Green Solution" to a parking lot drain.
Organic material was used and it stunk to high heaven and the parking lot was unable to drain.
I vote NO on organic material unless you want to smell like a backed up septic tank.
I'm sure that will really pack the fans in!
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So, my 2 cents woth on the passing...or LACK of passing. The track HAS changed. Not just in length, but the surface. The clay that our forefathers used was the "good" stuff from outside turn 1. Now the only place you can find that is at Deming. The "new" stuff (being trucked in) is sooo hard to get ahold of. As a driver it is frustrating to not be able to go upstairs and pass someone like we used to do. Now, if you get off the bottom, you can expect to be "freight-trained" by the next 4 or 5 cars in line. The orgainics are fine..the work he is doing to try and fix the dust is fine..I just wish we could race 2 and 3 wide again. My personal feelings are, until we get the "good" brown clay back in we won't be able to race side-by-side. I literally blistered 4 or 5 right rears last season due to tire spin. NEVER seen that at Skagit before...in my 30 years of racing there.
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paul99 wrote:
I know what some of you will say already. "A true race fan would still go." True.
NOT TRUE!!! If I pay to see a show how can I see it with my eyes closed because they are full of clay or that it is so dusty I can't see turn 4, which was pretty much the case a couple of times this year.
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