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Posted: Wednesday Aug 20th, 2008 09:37 PM |
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Need some help to understand what happened here????
How does a magnet under the gas pedal mask a car's
true horsepower? Something about the pedal doesn't
go all the way to the floor. Doesn't that handicap the
car's speed? I don't get it!
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Posted: Wednesday Aug 20th, 2008 09:48 PM |
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This is all they're saying...
"The discovery of using magnets to try to prevent the gas pedal from reaching the floor came as Gibbs’ No. 18 and No. 20 Toyotas have dominated this season. They’ve combined to win 14 of 25 Nationwide races and NASCAR last month ordered all Toyota teams to cut about 15 horsepower in their motors."
I would assume they put them there after the race ended?
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Posted: Wednesday Aug 20th, 2008 10:29 PM |
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| They were put there after the race so they would show less hp on the dyno during inspection. Last edited on Thursday Aug 21st, 2008 06:03 AM by fordracer
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Posted: Thursday Aug 21st, 2008 12:33 AM |
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Do I have to quit using my magnets?
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Posted: Thursday Aug 21st, 2008 01:19 AM |
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fordracer wrote: They were put their after the race so they would show less hp on the dyno during inspection.
Ahhhh...now that makes sense. Thanks, guys...
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It all comes down to who can you trust anymore?   Who da thunk Joe Gibbs?  Nothing is sacred anymore...even Frizzy was caught with a high tension spring on the shutter of her camera so she could shoot faster than the rest of us.
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pumpman 1 wrote: Do I have to quit using my magnets?
no...you'll just loose all your points again! 
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pumpman 1 wrote: Do I have to quit using my magnets?
No...how else are you going to make the numbers stick to your car?
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I was going to put magnets on the front of my car so that i would be "pulled" by Rob-kind of like drafting!
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DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. (Aug. 20, 2008) – NASCAR announced today that the No. 18 and No. 20 teams in the NASCAR Nationwide Series have been penalized due to rule violations discovered by NASCAR inspectors prior to post-race testing on the chassis dynamometer Aug. 16 at Michigan International Speedway.
Both the No. 18 and No. 20 cars were found to be in violation of Sections 12-4-A (actions detrimental to stock car racing); 8-9 (competitive analysis – from time to time, NASCAR may determine, in the interest of competition, that it is necessary or appropriate to undertake an analysis of the performance capabilities of a car, car part, component or equipment. The Competitor shall take whatever steps are requested by NASCAR Officials for this purpose. NASCAR also has the right to seal or impound cars, car parts, components and/or equipment for this purpose); 12-4-Q (1): (car, car parts, components and/or equipment used that do not conform to NASCAR rules, detailed in Section 20A of the 2008 NASCAR Rule Book, or has not been approved by NASCAR prior to the event, or is not required for the normal functional operation of the race car, or has been altered to detract from or compromise its integrity or effectiveness, whether operational or not); 12-4-K: (when NASCAR Officials mandate inspection during the Event, if any car, car parts, components, and/or equipment which have been used in the Event are taken from the racing premises without permission of a NASCAR Official, or are tampered with by any member of the team or anyone associated with the team: Magnetic spacer attached under the gas pedal with the intent of compromising the chassis dynamometer test).
Both of the drivers – Joey Logano of the No. 18 and Tony Stewart of the No. 20 – have been penalized with the loss of 150 championship driver points and placed on NASCAR probation until Dec. 31, 2008. Joe Gibbs, owner of both of the cars, has likewise been penalized 150 championship owner points for each of those entries.
Both crew chiefs – Jason Ratcliff of the No. 18 and Dave Rogers of the No. 20 – have been fined $50,000 and indefinitely suspended from NASCAR.
From the No. 18 team, car chief Dorian Thorsen; engine tuner Michael Johnson; and crew member Toby Bigelow have been placed on indefinite suspension from NASCAR. From the No. 20 team, car chief Richard Bray and engine tuner Dan Bajek have been indefinitely suspended from NASCAR.
In addition, the entire No. 18 and No. 20 NASCAR Nationwide Series teams have been placed on NASCAR probation until Dec. 31, 2008
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WOW! Penalty for points probably don't mean anything to the drivers who aren't running the whole series - but suspended indefinitely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ITS ABOUT DAMN TIME.
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Bluteam wrote: WOW!
ITS ABOUT DAMN TIME.
agree........
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ok, so from what I have read it says that nascar told them to reduce thier horsepower...... they did it cheaply with a magnet..... lol..
now the question should not be whether the it should or shouldn't have had a magnet, but when it was installed on the peddle........
if it was prior to the race, all is well,
if it was after the race then I guess their busted.......lol
THAT SHOULD STIR IT UP
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| I remember back in the muscle car days. Cars were coming out 425 hp off the show room floor . and the Insureance companys told the big three thay had to cut hp back to 375 hp So thay just rerated them at a lower rpm to meet the 375 limit. It worked for the big money boys back then ....This is the same thing i would think .
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| I think they should suspend the cars for 2 races. No replacements!!
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Posted: Thursday Aug 21st, 2008 05:40 AM |
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| So what does this do to the gibbs points races for our local guys going for the test drive??
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Bluteam wrote: WOW! Penalty for points probably don't mean anything to the drivers who aren't running the whole series - but suspended indefinitely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ITS ABOUT DAMN TIME.
Ted....the drivers we not suspended, they did however loose 150 points each and we're palced on probation
Gibbs said he objected to the 2 drivers being placed on probation for something they knew nothing about and didn't take place during the actual race
The magnet were not used during the race obviously...they were installed prior to a chassis dyno test for horsepower after the race was completed
What a brain-dead move that was to put those under the gas pedals of both cars...like NASCAR wasn't gonna notice the the carbs were not getting full throttle...
Looks like Joe Gibbs himself added to the penalty deal by booting all those guys for the remainder of the season from his race teams....!
Last edited on Thursday Aug 21st, 2008 05:56 AM by Alaskan
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Posted: Thursday Aug 21st, 2008 07:17 AM |
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Well, technically the throttle pedal was in working order.....
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MerkurMan wrote: Well, technically the throttle pedal was in working order.....
LOL
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Sorry, couldnt resist
Ooooh......sore subject for some. But very funny Jason
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Ha Ha. I know, I know.
I apologize...
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| Nah, no need to apologize....it was great!
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| LOL... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA WAS SORE..... I DO LIKE THAT THOUGH..
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| Gosh, nice to see I'm not the only weirdo that stays up this late to read this board.....lol.
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| Yeah, I got nothing else better to do either
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Alaskan wrote: Bluteam wrote: WOW! Penalty for points probably don't mean anything to the drivers who aren't running the whole series - but suspended indefinitely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ITS ABOUT DAMN TIME.
Ted....the drivers we not suspended, they did however loose 150 points each and we're palced on probation
Gibbs said he objected to the 2 drivers being placed on probation for something they knew nothing about and didn't take place during the actual race
The magnet were not used during the race obviously...they were installed prior to a chassis dyno test for horsepower after the race was completed
What a brain-dead move that was to put those under the gas pedals of both cars...like NASCAR wasn't gonna notice the the carbs were not getting full throttle...
Looks like Joe Gibbs himself added to the penalty deal by booting all those guys for the remainder of the season from his race teams....!
Yep, forgot to clarify that one. Would maybe agree with Gibbs objecting to the drivers being placed on probation, but the crew chiefs and mechanics got what they deserved. Tony probably doesn't care, but Lagano sure doesn't need that kind of publicity.
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So here is my question about the situation....
Do you think it was put there to hide that they didn't cut the horsepower back like they were asked or did they put it there so that NASCAR wouldn't see how much they have and ask them to cut back again?
I'm thinking they didn't cut back like they were asked to.
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| I think the whole thing is a load of crap...GO BACK TO STOCK CAR RACING with factory cars .
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| Yeah! I wanna see that big ol' wing again like what the king had on his car!
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Posted: Thursday Aug 21st, 2008 04:53 PM |
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xingman wrote: So here is my question about the situation....
Do you think it was put there to hide that they didn't cut the horsepower back like they were asked or did they put it there so that NASCAR wouldn't see how much they have and ask them to cut back again?
I'm thinking they didn't cut back like they were asked to.
The recent horsepower reduction to the Toyota engine in that series is a result of a Nascar issued restrictor plate that fits between the carb and the intake manifold...
The restrictor plate is issued in the tech inspection to the team, its installed with a Nascar rep present, and Nascar puts a seal on it when installed to make sure its not tampered with. After the race Nascar supervises its removal
The teams aren't just allowed to somehow reduce the hp by any other means...
The magnet simply acted like a throttle-stop which didn't allow the carb to get full-throttle dring the chassis dyno test after the race.....cute trick had it worked
Problem was....Nascar knew the hp test results were too low so they went looking for a reason....I'd say one of the first places they look is down into the carb to see if its getting full throttle, and when its wasn't they look for the reason and found the magnets placed under the throttle pedals
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This doesn't need saying, but it was a very "costly"
mistake for some JGR employees, as family incomes
are temporarily gone. JGR competitors are also
steamed because they've been "had".
Sometimes we chuckle when we hear of some new
technique to cheat. This one is not funny!
But....
I still laugh about the guy who wound his fuel line
inside his car around and around to give him more
gas. Now that's funny.....
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| I think nascar needs to step up the penalties. Suspend the car and drive for two races. Suspend the crew chiefs for the rest of the year along with alot bigger fines, And loss of points for the year. Or Nascar can offer up a nail to fix it. LOL
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I think they had to be hiding LOTS more horsepower as the article I read made it sound like they were only making 2-4 more horsepower than the Ford/Chevy's. I can't believe they would risk that much and go through the amount of trouble they did for a whopping 2-4 horsepower.
I also feel for the competitors- they have been hearing all year about how the Toyota's are kicking their butts and how the other teams must be flat out better-better drivers, better cars, better crew chief's-etc...now to find out that there was something going on...
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Alaskan wrote: Problem was....Nascar knew the hp test results were too low so they went looking for a reason....,
What I read said that they discovered it before the dyno was ever performed.
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| still no answer will this affect the gibbs points race for the test drive
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| Why would it Rich?
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| since his racing program got dinged pretty hard I wasn't sure if there would be any fall out. if they might cut the test program or something like that just wondering
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NASCAR changed their penalties on Tony Stewart and Joey
Logano in the Nationwide series levied last month.
Is this a first for NASCAR to change a ruling they have made?
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| Actually, they have done this several times before. Can't recall the particular instances, but I get all of the press releases from NASCAR and have been surprised at some of the penalties they overturn.
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