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| i have atleast 4 people who have old cottage grove sportsman cars that would be super llegal if they allowed 4bbs carb if they could run 4bbl cars they would tow down every weekend could some one bring this up in the super meeting?
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| If they are not willing to do a simple carb swap I doubt they would tow here every weekend. Rules should not be changed to accomodate just certain cars, especially one as simple as a carb.
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Jim the carb rule is the reason i havent ran at dcs this year
my friends wont run the 2bbl rule either the tow to Coosbay or go to Willamette
every weekend but i guess the super class @ Dcs dont need anymore cars
or people from up north racing there just my opinion though
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Hey Jim,
Weren't you the one telling me we should allow any carb in the Super Stocks? 
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xingman wrote: Hey Jim,
Weren't you the one telling me we should allow any carb in the Super Stocks?
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xingman wrote: Hey Jim,
Weren't you the one telling me we should allow any carb in the Super Stocks?
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Hey, Adam! Does this topic sound remotely familiar to you? ROFLMAO !!!!
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| alot of people don't realize that a 4 bbl carb is not gonna do you any better than a 2 bbl on the short track...you can only have so much horses before it's usless...just my two cents..OH AND DID'NT WE HAVE A STREET WITH A 2BBL WHIP THE BOYS IN THE GROVE
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Posted: Monday Sep 1st, 2008 05:28 AM |
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anyone could have come this year and raced thier car as it was under our "grace race" rule. had they done that and decieded that they wanted to do it again, I'm sure finding a 4412 would have been a pretty simple thing to do, they are everywhere.
We have a 4bbl class already, it's called premier division. I'm sure rick will have someone bring up something about it though in his class meeting.
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| IF I INSTALL A 4 BBL CAN I RUN WITH THE PREMIERE? I'LL TAKE OFF THE FENDERS AND RUN AS A MOD Last edited on Monday Sep 1st, 2008 05:50 AM by scottweiser38
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scottweiser38 wrote: alot of people don't realize that a 4 bbl carb is not gonna do you any better than a 2 bbl on the short track...you can only have so much horses before it's usless...just my two cents..OH AND DID'NT WE HAVE A STREET WITH A 2BBL WHIP THE BOYS IN THE GROVE
I belive you are very wrong. A 4 bbl makes a huge difference. I race on a track like the old DCS and it made a difference of almost 2 tenths over a well built 2 bbl. Now take that to a bigger track like the new DCS and it makes a bigger differnece. I proved it out of town last weekend by running 3 tenths faster than all the trucks that had 2 bbls. A good 2 bbl will perform very good, but a 4 bbl is better.
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scottweiser38 wrote: IF I INSTALL A 4 BBL CAN I RUN WITH THE PREMIERE? I'LL TAKE OFF THE FENDERS AND RUN AS A MOD
You should be able to run where you qualify. They are letting me run my Pro4 vs their Pro6's because I can run with or faster than all of them.
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Have your buddies come down and race the "grace race" and if they like racing at DCS the 2bbl. carb is a quick fix as you know.
The Super Stock division looks like it will be growing at DCS in 09 and more cars/trucks would be awesome.
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| What is scaring you guys in charge to let the supers run 4 bbls, McCoy loves how much faster that camaro runs with a big carb, so far the major difference between a street stock and a super is the floater rearend and those wonderful treaded tires
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and don't forget the open fabricated rear suspension, the weight jacks, shock location, open body rules, alum. intakes, roller cams, roller rockers, aluminum heads, total weight and leftside weight......
Not scared of a 4bbl mike, not even scared of fuel injection.
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my motor has over 13.7 to one compression it was built to use a big carb
using a 4412 even a built one would be like using a restictor plate
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| Did Adam say ALUMINUM heads? I hope not! I agree those guys could easily put on a 2 bbl if they really wanted to race here and there is no reason for us to change our rules just to suit them. They would find out at their 'grace race' that their 4 bbl wouldn't make their cars faster anyway. A competetive dirt car generally has the wrong geometry and roll centers to be competetive on asphalt too. Bobby Wright's dirt car is set up for asphalt and is FAST! Look at Tyrell's car though... it couldn't keep up in Roseburg, but it wins at the Grove (because of the way it's set up). A 4 bbl wouldn't help his car here either. But put Tyrell in any car SET UP CORRECTLY and he'll win... one of the best drivers I have ever seen. As far as I'm concerned though, we could let any dirt car from an out of town track run a 4 bbl if they wanted and I wouldn't complain. They'd be LUCKY to make the top three!
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66racin wrote: my motor has over 13.7 to one compression it was built to use a big carb
using a 4412 even a built one would be like using a restictor plate
and killing my power in my engine builders opinion
Easy solution. Don't run at DCS. I'm sure Pothoffs motor was around 13:1 too and he ran strong with a 4412.
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What does "all seals must be in place" mean for the aluminum heads in the Super Stock division?
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The rule says the only way you can have aluminum heads is on a sealed 604 GM crate engine... the intent being that you can't buy a 604 crate engine, tear it down, hot-rod it, and keep aluminum heads.
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| sealed cratemotor, seals must be inplace....
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Makes sense now..
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| I am all for an open carb rule Rick. I just don't see why we should change rules at the end of the season, especially for some that "say" they would come if it were. Bring it for the grace race. And Tony, your motor don't care if it has a 2 or 4 barrel on it no matter the compression ratio. It MAY not run quite as well on the topend. It will still have 13.7 or whatever with a 2 barrel. You would be surprised how well it runs with a 4412, which is rated at 500 CFM but actually flows probably around 600 or more. Come to the rules meeting to express your concerns.
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MINI STOCK 34 wrote: I am all for an open carb rule Rick. I just don't see why we should change rules at the end of the season, especially for some that "say" they would come if it were. Bring it for the grace race. And Tony, your motor don't care if it has a 2 or 4 barrel on it no matter the compression ratio. It MAY not run quite as well on the topend. It will still have 13.7 or whatever with a 2 barrel. You would be surprised how well it runs with a 4412, which is rated at 500 CFM but actually flows probably around 600 or more. Come to the rules meeting to express your concerns.
Ok. Just didn't realize you were referring to changing them now. Got the impression you didn't want it at all. We're on the same page now. 
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| I delieve the intent was to cut cost to build the class as a 2bl carb costs 250.00 and a 4 bl costs any where from 600.00 to1000.00 for a very good one.These prices are out of the speedway catalog just my 2 cents
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larrym14r wrote: Did Adam say ALUMINUM heads? I hope not! I agree those guys could easily put on a 2 bbl if they really wanted to race here and there is no reason for us to change our rules just to suit them. They would find out at their 'grace race' that their 4 bbl wouldn't make their cars faster anyway. A competetive dirt car generally has the wrong geometry and roll centers to be competetive on asphalt too. Bobby Wright's dirt car is set up for asphalt and is FAST! Look at Tyrell's car though... it couldn't keep up in Roseburg, but it wins at the Grove (because of the way it's set up). A 4 bbl wouldn't help his car here either. But put Tyrell in any car SET UP CORRECTLY and he'll win... one of the best drivers I have ever seen. As far as I'm concerned though, we could let any dirt car from an out of town track run a 4 bbl if they wanted and I wouldn't complain. They'd be LUCKY to make the top three!
im talking about sportsman cars not street stocks tyrells got a good car
and won at cg in the street stocks also a 62 galaxie with a stock 190,000
mile 390 big block has won this year twice in the grove anyone can win any
time there, the cars im talking about are stock clip, tube rear frame cars
with 3links and the old sportsman aluminum bodies, and for dirt cars not to be
competitive at DCS many of the out law 100 races were won by dirt cars
that raced at willamette,eugene, Dcs and cottage grove all in one season
but i guess that was then , any way it was just a suggestion that doesnt seem to have any support . thanks for all you reponses i was just trying to find a place other than coos bay or the in B or C mains @willamette (willamette runs fab clipped cars)for the old grove cars and those who parked them 2yrs ago when the grove went to Lms to race thanks again
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perryfamily5 wrote: I delieve the intent was to cut cost to build the class as a 2bl carb costs 250.00 and a 4 bl costs any where from 600.00 to1000.00 for a very good one.These prices are out of the speedway catalog just my 2 cents
WILLY’S 500 CFM 2BBL CARBURETORS have a 1-3/8” venturi and 1-11/16” throttle plate. The WCD-44120 use the Holley metering block while the WCD-44121 and WCD-44122 utilize the Willy’s externally adjustable metering block to add even more power to your 2BBL, along with “Twist of the Wrist” external jet adjustments. These carbs will pass tech gauges and produce awesome torque and horsepower. They are popular on NASCAR Late Models and are IMCA & WISSOTA legal. price $545.00
AED-500ESC 500 cfm Eliminator Carburetor Series $699.99 claims it passes the go no go gauge Holley Model 4160 Adjustable Float Carburetors
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Today $269.95 i have this one guess it could go both ways my one and a half cents lol Last edited on Thursday Sep 4th, 2008 10:33 PM by 66racin
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66racin wrote: larrym14r wrote: Did Adam say ALUMINUM heads? I hope not! I agree those guys could easily put on a 2 bbl if they really wanted to race here and there is no reason for us to change our rules just to suit them. They would find out at their 'grace race' that their 4 bbl wouldn't make their cars faster anyway. A competetive dirt car generally has the wrong geometry and roll centers to be competetive on asphalt too. Bobby Wright's dirt car is set up for asphalt and is FAST! Look at Tyrell's car though... it couldn't keep up in Roseburg, but it wins at the Grove (because of the way it's set up). A 4 bbl wouldn't help his car here either. But put Tyrell in any car SET UP CORRECTLY and he'll win... one of the best drivers I have ever seen. As far as I'm concerned though, we could let any dirt car from an out of town track run a 4 bbl if they wanted and I wouldn't complain. They'd be LUCKY to make the top three!
im talking about sportsman cars not street stocks tyrells got a good car
and won at cg in the street stocks also a 62 galaxie with a stock 190,000
mile 390 big block has won this year twice in the grove anyone can win any
time there, the cars im talking about are stock clip, tube rear frame cars
with 3links and the old sportsman aluminum bodies, and for dirt cars not to be
competitive at DCS many of the out law 100 races were won by dirt cars
that raced at willamette,eugene, Dcs and cottage grove all in one season
but i guess that was then , any way it was just a suggestion that doesnt seem to have any support . thanks for all you reponses i was just trying to find a place other than coos bay or the in B or C mains @willamette (willamette runs fab clipped cars)for the old grove cars and those who parked them 2yrs ago when the grove went to Lms to race thanks again
Sorry for any confusion on my part, but your picture of the 66X car looks like a steel body metric chassis GM car. I know GM did make aluminum hoods and deck lids for those cars... which I just happen to have if you're interrested. But it sounds like you're not much interrested in racing if you won't accept the 'grace race' offer to bring your 4 bbl and give us a try. I went to all the Outlaw 100 races thru the mid 80's and don't recall ANY dirt track car ever winning... but then my memory isn't what it used to be. As for the cost of carbs, I personally run a $75 Albany swap meet carb and have a spare that was given to me... which I would gladly loan either to you and even help you install it here at the track if that would help. I also have 4 bbl carbs that cost a similar amount and have performed equally as well against ANYONE'S trick racing carbs. Our old style stock 390 CFM Holley on Dale Roth's car won many Late Model races against highly modified 4150 tricked out carbs that probably cost over $600. My Super Stock typically qualifies in either of the top two positions so the carbs should be pretty close if you have a 7000 RPM, 13 to 1 compression, 406, roller cam, with meduim size intake runners and want to give it a try. But I suspect that after your 'grace race' you will find out that you ALSO can't keep up with a dirt (set up) car, even with a 4 bbl carb. As I said, as far as I'm concerned you could run a 4 bbl carb every race and I wouldn't mind. 
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66racin wrote:
im talking about sportsman cars not street stocks tyrells got a good car
and won at cg in the street stocks also a 62 galaxie with a stock 190,000
mile 390 big block has won this year twice in the grove anyone can win any
time there, the cars im talking about are stock clip, tube rear frame cars
with 3links and the old sportsman aluminum bodies, and for dirt cars not to be
competitive at DCS many of the out law 100 races were won by dirt cars
that raced at willamette,eugene, Dcs and cottage grove all in one season
but i guess that was then , any way it was just a suggestion that doesnt seem to have any support . thanks for all you reponses i was just trying to find a place other than coos bay or the in B or C mains @willamette (willamette runs fab clipped cars)for the old grove cars and those who parked them 2yrs ago when the grove went to Lms to race thanks again
Tony I am not sure why some are not inviting with open arms to improve on the 13 car field of the supers but oh well, but for the grace race maybe you could find a sprint car wing or maybe they could bring an old dirt wedge car with side boards and all, then have them bring enough set up suipplies and maybe Dumire could get the car set up to put a lap or two on the field just a thought. I'd pay to see that.
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thanks i may take you up on the carb offer but i wont be bringing the monte
but a old sportsman car with a wedge body that finished second in points at cg in 02 when it was last run have been told it was a old dcs car converted to dirt
as for the outlaw 100 i believe Tom Elam has won at roseburg, eugene,and willamette speedways all in the same car but this was in the mid to late 80's
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mrbowtie350hp wrote: 66racin wrote:
im talking about sportsman cars not street stocks tyrells got a good car
and won at cg in the street stocks also a 62 galaxie with a stock 190,000
mile 390 big block has won this year twice in the grove anyone can win any
time there, the cars im talking about are stock clip, tube rear frame cars
with 3links and the old sportsman aluminum bodies, and for dirt cars not to be
competitive at DCS many of the out law 100 races were won by dirt cars
that raced at willamette,eugene, Dcs and cottage grove all in one season
but i guess that was then , any way it was just a suggestion that doesnt seem to have any support . thanks for all you reponses i was just trying to find a place other than coos bay or the in B or C mains @willamette (willamette runs fab clipped cars)for the old grove cars and those who parked them 2yrs ago when the grove went to Lms to race thanks again
Tony I am not sure why some are not inviting with open arms to improve on the 13 car field of the supers but oh well, but for the grace race maybe you could find a sprint car wing or maybe they could bring an old dirt wedge car with side boards and all, then have them bring enough set up suipplies and maybe Dumire could get the car set up to put a lap or two on the field just a thought. I'd pay to see that.
Mike... I think an open invitation (grace race) to'run what you brung' and an offer to provide a legal carb afterward is pretty close to an "open arm invitation". My point was that using a carb rule as an excuse not to show up is pretty lame when the 'set up' is 99% more important... and I would be glad to help with that too if it would get us some more cars! Just quit sniveling about rules and come race! It would be fun to see a stock car with a sprint car wing again though... Dale's car was a full second faster than the rest of the field when we put one on his Late Model a few years back!! Ironically several years ago we did successfully run a Shaw dirt chassis with a 4 link rear here a DCS on asphalt (and won several races locally and in California)... we went away from the dirt chassis because the 2 x 2 tube didn't seem strong enough for pavement crashes, and later on there was a rule requiring 2 x 3 size tubing.
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wingless_warrior wrote: Have your buddies come down and race the "grace race" and if they like racing at DCS the 2bbl. carb is a quick fix as you know.
The Super Stock division looks like it will be growing at DCS in 09 and more cars/trucks would be awesome.
We all want to see more cars at DCS, the Super Stock class has excellent cars in the division and I'm sure the class welcomes more cars to play with.
Come on down and have a good time.
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Posted: Sunday Sep 7th, 2008 08:47 AM |
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why is the abbreviation for "barrel" BBL? I've never understood that, shouldn't it be perhaps BRL? cuz there aint 2 b's in barrel. Im sure some old-schooler has the answer the this one. like "once upon a time, a long long time ago there used to be bubbles in the carbs and there was one bubble for each barrel and so the abbreviation became for bubbles not barrels even though thats what they really meant int the first place."
im sure theres some retarded explaination like that out there somwhere, what is the real story?
and another thing, why is abbreviation such a long word?
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Posted: Sunday Sep 7th, 2008 08:36 PM |
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Back in the early days of the oil industry, there was no standard for the oil barrel size. So, standard oil created the 42 gallon (2 more than the standard 40 gallong barrels of the era) "Blue barrel" to transport the oil in. In a move that may surprise some, they gave this extra 2 gallons to account for leakage and evaporation... seems oil companies aren't always as greedy as some try to make them out to be...
Anyway, BBL stands for Blue Barrel and somehow that abreviation got applied to the barrels on a carb.
I once wondered why it was BBL myself... this is what I concluded after a few hours of web-surfing.
Last edited on Sunday Sep 7th, 2008 08:45 PM by novanick
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Posted: Monday Sep 8th, 2008 03:01 AM |
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novanick wrote: Back in the early days of the oil industry, there was no standard for the oil barrel size. So, standard oil created the 42 gallon (2 more than the standard 40 gallong barrels of the era) "Blue barrel" to transport the oil in. In a move that may surprise some, they gave this extra 2 gallons to account for leakage and evaporation... seems oil companies aren't always as greedy as some try to make them out to be...
Anyway, BBL stands for Blue Barrel and somehow that abreviation got applied to the barrels on a carb.
I once wondered why it was BBL myself... this is what I concluded after a few hours of web-surfing.
or a few hours of being incredibly bored! right?
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