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Posted: Monday Sep 15th, 2008 05:33 PM |
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| One of my Sponcer came up Saturday night and paid his own way into the pits. He thought the start of the Mini-Stock main and the race was so good he ask me why I am racing at DCS. Why do I put up this this. Other track do not run like this. I said I like racing Asphalt. I think I just lost a sponcer for next year. Is there any Pro-4 or Super-4 dirt chassis out there For Sale cheap. "Looking to run somewhere".
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| I'm sorry to hear that your sponsor caught you on a bad night Dave. You and Clyde both are good people and I have enjoyed dealing with you guys on a different level this year.
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Posted: Monday Sep 15th, 2008 06:09 PM |
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| It wasn't all that bad for me. I have had worse nights. It was everything else that we had to put up with. What was up with the starting line up? Looked like Rob started about 8th out of a 16 car field. Why do we qualify? We should line up in the pits first come first out. Just drope the green when we are lined up in the pits. We can start racing from there. It would be better than the start that we had Staturday night. We sit around all night waiting on all the other B.S. that goes on but we do not have time to set Mini-Stock line up for the main.
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Posted: Monday Sep 15th, 2008 06:41 PM |
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It would be interesting to see some tape of the start of that race. The line up on the score sheets appears to show that for some reason that rob started 13th roth started 14th and wilson started 15th. for some reason the top three were scrambled up from where they should have started, behind them were the 1, the 7 and the 83 all starting scratch as rookies.
As for the start, what happened happens at PAVEMENT tracks all across america, it was legal but two things could have changed the course of the start and eventual finish of the race.
ONE: had the fast 3 (at the back of the pack) been in the correct starting order, the 55 and the 9 would have had first option to take advantage before the 33. (not sure why these cars were jumbled,
TWO: had the pole cars been dressing the field up against the wall in the race groove during the pace laps instead of the bottom of the track, that legal lane to the outside would not have been open for anyone to use.
Had the flag come out in turn four at at the bottom of 3 and 4, the same pass to the outside could have been used by anyone just the same as if it would have come out right at the start finish line.
Full moon out for sure last night and there was alot on the card. All 108 of the drivers for the most part did a great job at putting on a show for the 2000 people that showed up to watch it. We ran about 20 mins late but only due to the last premier main, all of the other mains got done in the time period schedule or before!
The last race of the year has alot on the card as well but one less class, so the timeline shouldn't be as demanding on all of us.
2009 will see a different scheduling program as we plan to only run 5 divisions a night, 8 class nights like last night will be reserved for special events such as last night when we have sponsor appreciation or something of that nature.
One race to go for the year, Good Luck to everyone.
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I can make a copy if you want to see it.
Like I brought up in the mini meeting, the cars were not in their line up when the green was thrown. I was told they were. Bub did stay far to the outside and slowed down the cars behind him slowed down but nobody came around except the 55 to get where he needed to be. The 71 understood from the driver meeting in the pits that do not contest your position, we will put you where you need to be. I have been told since that is for cautions not the starts.
One cone restart, our car was passed on the outside by several cars after they had chose the inside line and stayed outside moving to the front! This was before the green was thrown to get back under way and it did effect the outcome of the race and not just for us the black Pinto got hosed too and it was running well. It was announced to go around the 7 car... Who? We were not in view of a 7 car, was it behind us? After passing the 7 car, should those cars have went back to the inside line or just come on up front??? Not bitchin at all, just adding what we witnessed and viewed on tape.
Again, not bitchin just wanting to learn how it goes and if we can do the same in the event this happens again.
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Posted: Monday Sep 15th, 2008 07:50 PM |
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Adam: When you started at DCS I believe you said everything is good just don't come out here and stink up my show. I have not seen you do anything. Or you do not think that winning almost every race last year and all but two this year is not sinking up your show.
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Posted: Monday Sep 15th, 2008 07:53 PM |
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I agree dave, a stinky show doesn't look good..... we've discussed what happened on the lineup and think we may have figured out why it was jumbled at the back.
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Posted: Monday Sep 15th, 2008 07:57 PM |
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Also, if you think we have missed something illegal on any car that is fast and wins, I'd be happy to offer you or anyone else a cost free protest on the targeted car. I'm sure that they (the car owneer) would welcome the chance to prove that they are legal, I know I would.
Nobody in the meeting yesterday offered any want for a weight packing rule.... IE: 2 wins at 50lbs 3 ad another 25 4 wins ad more.....
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Posted: Monday Sep 15th, 2008 08:00 PM |
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I don't like a weight pack rule by any means but,
Rob winning alot is "stinky" for our show(good for him though), but it is a race and he to this point has not broken anyrules, so I'm not sure what you are asking us to do?
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Posted: Monday Sep 15th, 2008 08:02 PM |
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wingless_warrior wrote: It was announced to go around the 7 car... Who? We were not in view of a 7 car, was it behind us? After passing the 7 car, should those cars have went back to the inside line or just come on up front???
This was said as the cars were coming to green. I could tell the 7 car was not going to get dressed up behind the rest of the field and would have hosed the three cars that were lined up behind it because it was so far back (due to a brand new driver). I told them to go around the car so they can catch up with the rest of the field and have a fair start. If you didn't see the 7 in front of you, then it obviously doesn't apply.
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Posted: Monday Sep 15th, 2008 08:06 PM |
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| Too late for that. And I did not say anything on here about Legal or not. I said stinking up the show. There is a differance. This is not just about last weekend it has been going on for two years. Just got a belly full of it. When the Sponcers start in about what we are doing that is when you have to sit back and look at it alittle harder. I do not have the money to race with out sponcers, so one has to do what one has to do.
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Posted: Monday Sep 15th, 2008 08:09 PM |
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I would hate to see a weight packing rule. If a team figures out how to stink up the show and be in the rules, it is up the other teams to figure it out and make the necessary changes to run with them. It would not be fair to the team who figured it out to have to pack on an extra 25-50 pounds every time they won a race.
Don't get me wrong, we're not coming there to not win.... But adding weight if a car is legal is silly in my opinion. The car would get so heavy, the new winner would get heavier and so on and so on...
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Posted: Monday Sep 15th, 2008 08:11 PM |
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Rob started about 8th or 10th outside row. There where about 5 of us that should have been in front of him since he was fast qualifier. I like the green from the pits the best.
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| I agree dave, aside from asking rob to stay home or throw a race for the sake of the program, we've done everything that we can to make sure he is following the rules that everyone else is asked to follow. I understand that it's frustrating, it's frustrating for us also. The only solice at this point is knowing that he is looking for a LM or a MOD to run for next year and than someone may be able to buy that car and spend the time to figure out how it works.
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Posted: Monday Sep 15th, 2008 08:15 PM |
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Rooky1 wrote: Rick
Rob started about 8th or 10th outside row. There where about 5 of us that should have been in front of him since he was fast qualifier. I like the green from the pits the best.
I understand what you're saying Dave. I think Adam has addressed this. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
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Posted: Monday Sep 15th, 2008 08:17 PM |
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xingman wrote: wingless_warrior wrote: It was announced to go around the 7 car... Who? We were not in view of a 7 car, was it behind us? After passing the 7 car, should those cars have went back to the inside line or just come on up front???
This was said as the cars were coming to green. I could tell the 7 car was not going to get dressed up behind the rest of the field and would have hosed the three cars that were lined up behind it because it was so far back (due to a brand new driver). I told them to go around the car so they can catch up with the rest of the field and have a fair start. If you didn't see the 7 in front of you, then it obviously doesn't apply.
I does apply it was ahead of us and he couldn't see it because he was tight to the car in front of him. The cars that came around went to the outside and never went back inside is all I was getting at. No big deal to us, just wondering next time in the same situation if we can go wide to the front on the outside or do we have to go back to the line chosen at the cone when told to go around a slower car is all.
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Posted: Monday Sep 15th, 2008 08:20 PM |
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My point is that if the 7 car was in front of you and everybody between you would have gone around them as told and you would see the 7 car now in front of you and realize it applied to you. The cars that were looking at the 7 knew it applied to them and did as they were instructed. It didn't mess you up on your start at all by not going around a car that wasn't there.
When you take the cone low or high, you are to stay in that lane. If you get caught not staying in that lane, you will get penalized.
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Posted: Monday Sep 15th, 2008 08:32 PM |
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I guess the cars never got caught...
No biggie Rick, but the 7 was in front of a car in front of Bub and he couldn't see the side of it to see a number because he dressed up tight to the car in front of him. So if cars behind him pass him and stay wide, can he do the same in the future is what I was asking and you answered it for me.
We are still learning the way it goes and don't take this as negative, just wanted some info is all.
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| I would realllllllly like to know why the 33 car goes out EVERY race, right before qualifying, and take 5 or 6 practice laps????????????? I've seen it for this WHOLE season. The track is closed to everyone else. I too have dominated a race season but never got that opportunity. There is ONE thing I believe has NOT been checked on that car. I have talked to Rick and Dave about it too. You guys are checking stupid things like tire tread wear numbers and intakes that basically have no restrictions. Your teching is NOT in the right areas. Not to mention your scales are down so who knows what anyone weighs.... Lets just CAN the rules and race 'em where they time and be done with all this BS!!!
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| Hey Jim: You have any Pro-4 or Supper-4 dirt chassis in your back yard. Looking for a good tube chassis to run.
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| Myself after getting railroaded behind the 7 car at the start and pushing it down the front stretch paid close attention to where it was. I chose the high side at cone time,and then when the 7 was told a couple times to get up there and didn't Rick told us to fill in! Didn't need to tell me twice. I got lucky and was at the right place at the right time. We all know to watch for the new guy,wasn't so long ago I was the new guy! As far as Rob winning alot,if you think something is up file a protest! Or you can keep whineing on here and nothing ever becomes of it! Or here is another thought get off here and go out and work on your cars and trying to make them faster. Here again I am one of the new guys,and hate to piss to amny of you off! I have been working pretty hard on improving my car and myself to get faster. I think a few of you might have noticed after saturday night. I went from slow heat to mid heat and stayed in the lead from the start, not to mention this is the first main I haven't finished at least a lap down! Speaking of my car i am going out to put it on jackstands and check it over and tinker with whatever needs to be done so I am ready for the 27th.
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I for one am glad Rob is fast and Dave too for that matter. We have qualified 2nd and third fastest this year.... You did not see any whinning about Rob from us, we want to run with Rob and Dave and have got our car 2 seconds per lap faster than we started by trying new things and dialing the suspension in so it handles and makes good circles and Jimmy givin us some advice coming off the turns never hurts either.... No doubt in my mind the 9 car gets plenty of attention at home and with 37 posts since 2006 I don't see him being much of a whinner.... And you are comin right along 17, it is obvious you are working on your car, that is great for all of us.... You have a beast of a car and when you get it dialed in to your driving style it will be fun to see where you finish. Sa'll good in our hood, we'll spend most of the winter rebuilding the 71 and see what happens in 09. If we run the 71 it will not be the same car.
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I do not race this class. However I was there as a fan Saturday & was amazed that the start & restarts went the way they did!!! On the initial green I did not see the green light on on the back stretch, Also, the restarts were SO strung out that there was NO WAY that race could have been fair to anyone!
I sure hope this is addressed with the flagger!!!!
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| Thanks for the vote of cofidence Scott!! I have been working hard on the car and I am learning. You and your son have been patient and helpful with me. I always enjoy seeing you at the track. I to am glad to see Rob and Dave that fast,or anyonelse,it makes me want to work even harder to make my car faster and learn more on driving it to become faster myself. I am having a blast with it and I am already planning on going through it this winter to try and improve it.
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| Gary, you need to quit that **** common sense thing. DCS threw that out years ago! Everyone from the fans to the drivers know that. Look how many cars they have run off in the last few years. But hey, at least there are motor home races and trailer races with some real racing filled in every now and then. Makes it much easier for the drivers to develop the skills they need to try and make it in racing someday by driving trailers and motor homes. Go back to the old format with some real stock car racing. Throwing away one of the best facilities on the west coast is not the smartest thing to do.
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PINTO MAN wrote: Gary, you need to quit that **** common sense thing. DCS threw that out years ago! Everyone from the fans to the drivers know that. Look how many cars they have run off in the last few years. But hey, at least there are motor home races and trailer races with some real racing filled in every now and then. Makes it much easier for the drivers to develop the skills they need to try and make it in racing someday by driving trailers and motor homes. Go back to the old format with some real stock car racing. Throwing away one of the best facilities on the west coast is not the smartest thing to do.
I haven't been to a race this year that their hasn't been real racing..... not one show.... even the trailer race had the premier dev.,super stocks,street stocks,oldtimers, and hornets on the scedual.... The motor home race on July 5th had the premier,super,street,mini,and a 500 to win J-car race....... where did the real racing go out the window???Last edited on Tuesday Sep 16th, 2008 04:49 AM by hardcharger
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I think to pass on the outside on a restart, before the startline anytime is unfair; but legal.
To pass on the outside on the initial green flag is way unfair as the inside row can not make a pass before the start line without being penalized
In my opinion cars should be nose to tail until they cross the start line! JMOI
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PINTO MAN wrote: Gary, you need to quit that **** common sense thing. DCS threw that out years ago! Everyone from the fans to the drivers know that. Look how many cars they have run off in the last few years. But hey, at least there are motor home races and trailer races with some real racing filled in every now and then. Makes it much easier for the drivers to develop the skills they need to try and make it in racing someday by driving trailers and motor homes. Go back to the old format with some real stock car racing. Throwing away one of the best facilities on the west coast is not the smartest thing to do.
agree 100%!!!!
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MINI STOCK 34 wrote: There is ONE thing I believe has NOT been checked on that car. I have talked to Rick and Dave about it too. You guys are checking stupid things like tire tread wear numbers and intakes that basically have no restrictions. Your teching is NOT in the right areas.
Since you felt the need to call me out Jim, here is my response....I don't let any rumor dictate what we tech. If you felt that strongly about something on his car, then protest it. And just to set the record straight....we have not teched the intakes on the mini stocks. Gee.....I may be ignorant here, but I thought tires had alot to do with racing. It must have been really stupid to send them in to be tested for soaking too, huh?
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livetorace8 wrote: agree 100%!!!!
Classic coming from a driver in one of those novelty classes. 
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perryfamily5 wrote: I think to pass on the outside on a restart, before the startline anytime is unfair; but legal.
To pass on the outside on the initial green flag is way unfair as the inside row can not make a pass before the start line without being penalized
In my opinion cars should be nose to tail until they cross the start line! JMOI
THAT WOULD HAVE SAVED THE CARNAGE WITH THE STREETS ON THE FIRST LAP
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PINTO MAN wrote: Gary, you need to quit that **** common sense thing. DCS threw that out years ago! Everyone from the fans to the drivers know that. Look how many cars they have run off in the last few years. But hey, at least there are motor home races and trailer races with some real racing filled in every now and then. Makes it much easier for the drivers to develop the skills they need to try and make it in racing someday by driving trailers and motor homes. Go back to the old format with some real stock car racing. Throwing away one of the best facilities on the west coast is not the smartest thing to do.
Pinto guy....Its those trailer races and motor home races that keep that track open so we can race cars and let those drivers hone there driving skills ...But we dont expect you to know anything about that kind of thing ...just drive the car and enjoy that pavement that we work our butts off for .
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xingman wrote: livetorace8 wrote: agree 100%!!!!
Classic coming from a driver in one of those novelty classes.
i would have to say the hornets is a great learning class...but i also think they kinda overkilled it with the JR hornets and lady stingers...why cant they all just be together....same cars right? of course they maybe younger and "less aggressive".. but i have seen some pretty crazy little drivers (and lady drivers for that matter) that would blend in fine with the hornets. and all the races that were the JR stingers and the Lady stingers the time could be used for say...premier division double mains... or more laps for the other "serious" racing classes...
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scottweiser38 wrote: perryfamily5 wrote: I think to pass on the outside on a restart, before the startline anytime is unfair; but legal.
To pass on the outside on the initial green flag is way unfair as the inside row can not make a pass before the start line without being penalized
In my opinion cars should be nose to tail until they cross the start line! JMOI
THAT WOULD HAVE SAVED THE CARNAGE WITH THE STREETS ON THE FIRST LAP
hope your cars okay scott...was unfortunate you and nick got together on the first corner of the first lap. 
you too nick i saw your car after the race..hope the damage isnt to catastrophic
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livetorace8 wrote: xingman wrote: livetorace8 wrote: agree 100%!!!!
Classic coming from a driver in one of those novelty classes.
i would have to say the hornets is a great learning class...but i also think they kinda overkilled it with the JR hornets and lady stingers...why cant they all just be together....same cars right? of course they maybe younger and "less aggressive".. but i have seen some pretty crazy little drivers (and lady drivers for that matter) that would blend in fine with the hornets. and all the races that were the JR stingers and the Lady stingers the time could be used for say...premier division double mains... or more laps for the other "serious" racing classes... because alot of hornets are to agressive and someone will get hurt and im not for that at all! give them time and they will come and as for serious racing a lot of fans love watching the hornets and if their so boring why did you race
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Posted: Tuesday Sep 16th, 2008 06:46 AM |
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hornet17 wrote: livetorace8 wrote: xingman wrote: livetorace8 wrote: agree 100%!!!!
Classic coming from a driver in one of those novelty classes.
i would have to say the hornets is a great learning class...but i also think they kinda overkilled it with the JR hornets and lady stingers...why cant they all just be together....same cars right? of course they maybe younger and "less aggressive".. but i have seen some pretty crazy little drivers (and lady drivers for that matter) that would blend in fine with the hornets. and all the races that were the JR stingers and the Lady stingers the time could be used for say...premier division double mains... or more laps for the other "serious" racing classes... because alot of hornets are to agressive and someone will get hurt and im not for that at all! give them time and they will come and as for serious racing a lot of fans love watching the hornets and if their so boring why did you race
i dont remember saying they were boring...
and i raced them because it got me on the track..
and got my foot in the racing door and when i started i had hopes of moving up and thats what i did... okay im not dissing the hornets at all (or at least i dont mean to) i just kinda think its not right that they have 3 classes that run the EXACT same cars.. sure the hornets may be more aggressive... but at least do what they did at times and make the lady stingers and JR's race together and make it one class. just trying to help the other drivers who have been wanting more "serious" racing..
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livetorace8 wrote: hornet17 wrote: livetorace8 wrote: xingman wrote: livetorace8 wrote: agree 100%!!!!
Classic coming from a driver in one of those novelty classes.
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