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Posted: Wednesday Oct 8th, 2008 04:06 AM

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.....Well this time last year i started building Mini 51 and i was told there were no more Nanging ex601 380 tread wear tires out there to buy ....And now we are trying to buy tires to build Jeffs new front drive car and was told there are none to be found on earth ....We used the sumatoma on dans car and thay are no where as good as the nanking ....So i for one think its time to rethink this stupid 380 tire deal .

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Posted: Wednesday Oct 8th, 2008 04:26 AM

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I think you should make a run to Sutherlin and steal them off of that hippie fella. I happen to know he's too busy chasing deer around and making sure his drunk boys don't shoot someone right now.

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Posted: Wednesday Oct 8th, 2008 04:30 AM

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Rev, I have found many great DOT tires to run but they are ALL less than 380 rated unless you go to a super hard tire and there is no point in that.

I found REALLY good 200 rated tires with the "Nankang like" sidewall and they would more than likely last only one season (12-13 races) but that is ok with me. It sure beats what the other classes pay per year for tires.

I am all for Goodyear Short Track Specials, but not everyone is.

Putting a price cap is fine, but the cost of tires has gone up since the 380 rule was made and that needs looked at too. Two votes from us to rethink it. :cool:

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Posted: Wednesday Oct 8th, 2008 04:39 AM

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wingless_warrior wrote: Rev, I have found many great DOT tires to run but they are ALL less than 380 rated unless you go to a super hard tire and there is no point in that.

I found REALLY good 200 rated tires with the "Nankang like" sidewall and they would more than likely last only one season (12-13 races) but that is ok with me. It sure beats what the other classes pay per year for tires.

I am all for Goodyear Short Track Specials, but not everyone is.

Putting a price cap is fine, but the cost of tires has gone up since the 380 rule was made and that needs looked at too. Two votes from us to rethink it. :cool:

hey guys,we just need to get it set up and soon,i dont know rules on tires and i will go with what you guys decide,but please do it asap,we have got a lot of work----thanks rev

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Posted: Wednesday Oct 8th, 2008 04:47 AM

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hey dave check your PM

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Posted: Wednesday Oct 8th, 2008 04:59 AM

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xingman wrote: I think you should make a run to Sutherlin and steal them off of that hippie fella. I happen to know he's too busy chasing deer around and making sure his drunk boys don't shoot someone right now.

Yeah, you're only saying that cause you know he can't read it from where he is.

But you're probably right!!!

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Posted: Wednesday Oct 8th, 2008 05:01 AM

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Im with ya scott ....i have done the same reserch as you and have found the same ...Alot of racers want to stay with the dot tire and im ok with that but ....come on you guys

....this 380 tread wear rating is a thing of the past ...NOW .....IS THE TIME TO COME UP TO THE YEAR 2008 and change the rule so we can find another tire for the 09 season ......COME ON YOU GUYS SPEAK UP ....Lets do something about this while rick and adam are working on the rules for 09 . not after there all set into place . I say lets lower the rating to 200

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Posted: Wednesday Oct 8th, 2008 05:11 AM

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i am going to be new at this mini stock tire stuff, but i thinck lets keep the cost down

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Posted: Wednesday Oct 8th, 2008 05:13 AM

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murph24 wrote: i am going to be new at this mini stock tire stuff, but i thinck lets keep the cost down
and make it easy to get tires

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Posted: Wednesday Oct 8th, 2008 05:14 AM

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i agree, with that

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Posted: Wednesday Oct 8th, 2008 05:16 AM

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Hurray for Rev!

200 is a great number. Rob found a great tire also that is different than the ones I have found. For those of you who don't already know, It's the "sidewall" on the Nankangs that make them better. And there are similar tires with a lower treadwear rating ready and waiting. :cool:

Join in and voice some input, I would like to know before I buy the last Nankangs I know of. There are so many different tires available that are DOT with a lower rating, it would be interesting to see who found the "NEW" tire to run.

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Posted: Wednesday Oct 8th, 2008 05:19 AM

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wingless_warrior wrote: Hurray for Rev!

200 is a great number. Rob found a great tire also that is different than the ones I have found. For those of you who don't already know, It's the "sidewall" on the Nankangs that make them better. And there are similar tires with a lower treadwear rating ready and waiting. :cool:

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Posted: Wednesday Oct 8th, 2008 05:21 AM

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what about slicks

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Posted: Wednesday Oct 8th, 2008 05:23 AM

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murph24 wrote: what about slicks
cars with more power will benifit slicks verses cars with less power

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Posted: Wednesday Oct 8th, 2008 05:26 AM

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big o tire is also looking in to a tire with the same compound,hopefully will hear more on that tomorrow

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Posted: Wednesday Oct 8th, 2008 05:31 AM

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good, hopefully they wont cost very much, i have 3 differnt car to deal with

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Posted: Wednesday Oct 8th, 2008 05:33 AM

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murph24 wrote: good, hopefully they wont cost very much, i have 3 differnt car to deal with
me too,but hornets dont count,and if the hornet needs tires come buy my shop

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hornet17 wrote: murph24 wrote: i am going to be new at this mini stock tire stuff, but i thinck lets keep the cost down
and make it easy to get tires

I have called every place in the US trying to find a stock pile of EX-601's for all of our cars and if I missed one or two, I know the Rev talked to the ones I misssed. I even called Nankang to get any information on where they would have been shipped.

The problem with the rule in my opinion is, you can buy tires with 400-420 rating and even 380 all season radials (snow/rain) but you don't get a raceable replacement for the 601.

You can go to any place on the net and find directional tires like the 601 with a re-enforced sidewall, but they all have a lower rating. from 200-320 and that gives you options we don't have and opens the door for you to get the best deal you can find instead of what you WILL pay for a certain tire.

You can keep the cost down with options and with more options, they are easy to get and you get a choice.

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Posted: Wednesday Oct 8th, 2008 05:35 AM

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hornet17 wrote: murph24 wrote: what about slicks
cars with more power will benifit slicks verses cars with less power
Cars with less power can hold it to the floor with more corner speed on Short Trackers...... :cool:

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xingman wrote: I think you should make a run to Sutherlin and steal them off of that hippie fella. I happen to know he's too busy chasing deer around and making sure his drunk boys don't shoot someone right now.

Yeah, you're only saying that cause you know he can't read it from where he is.

But you're probably right!!!

I have been to their camp twice now...I know I'm right!

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Posted: Wednesday Oct 8th, 2008 05:39 AM

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xingman wrote: Mini Stock 8 wrote:
xingman wrote: I think you should make a run to Sutherlin and steal them off of that hippie fella. I happen to know he's too busy chasing deer around and making sure his drunk boys don't shoot someone right now.

Yeah, you're only saying that cause you know he can't read it from where he is.

But you're probably right!!!

I have been to their camp twice now...I know I'm right!

thanks i will get my tires first

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wingless_warrior wrote: hornet17 wrote: murph24 wrote: i am going to be new at this mini stock tire stuff, but i thinck lets keep the cost down
and make it easy to get tires

I have called every place in the US trying to find a stock pile of EX-601's for all of our cars and if I missed one or two, I know the Rev talked to the ones I misssed. I even called Nankang to get any information on where they would have been shipped.

The problem with the rule in my opinion is, you can buy tires with 400-420 rating and even 380 all season radials (snow/rain) but you don't get a raceable replacement for the 601.

You can go to any place on the net and find directional tires like the 601 with a re-enforced sidewall, but they all have a lower rating. from 200-320 and that gives you options we don't have and opens the door for you to get the best deal you can find instead of what you WILL pay for a certain tire.

You can keep the cost down with options and with more options, they are easy to get and you get a choice.

Hey Scott, Question for you on the tread wear lets say we go with a 200 how many races do you think it will make and how much would they be.

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Posted: Wednesday Oct 8th, 2008 05:48 AM

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i know that hippi dale said he would like slicks,but thats just hear say on my part

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Posted: Wednesday Oct 8th, 2008 05:50 AM

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iwould like to run slicks to or some type of treaded race tire would be nice

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Murph75 wrote: iwould like to run slicks to or some type of treaded race tire would be niceits past your bed time

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hornet17 wrote: Murph75 wrote: iwould like to run slicks to or some type of treaded race tire would be niceits past your bed time

no in 8 min.!!! so ha

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Posted: Wednesday Oct 8th, 2008 05:56 AM

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James, the 380 ones we run get several years on them, I was thinking we should get a season for sure out of them but maybe a couple of seasons I don't really know. I am willing to give it a try and be the guinee pig. I like the 601's the best, but man are they tough to find.

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Posted: Wednesday Oct 8th, 2008 06:06 AM

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treadwear_rating

This site will explain the tread wear thing pretty well.

The DOT does not test tires. It depends on manufacturers to test their own tires and report the results. Unfortunately, this system has made treadwear ratings far less useful than the DOT had originally intended because tire manufacturers are able to use the treadwear grade as a marketing tool.

It is legal and permissible for a manufacturer to give their tire a 240 rating when their competitor's equivalent tire has a 220 rating; thus creating the false impression that the 240 tire is a better purchase because it will last longer. This tendency to inflate treadwear numbers has become so common that some manufacturers may report that ALL their tires have above average treadwear grades. Some are taking normal tires and reporting a treadwear of 600 or more, or giving a 220 rating to maximum performance tires with a reputation for poor tire life (e.g. the Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar EMT). :cool:

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I agee with you scott the tires are hard to find. Im worried if we went to a 200 tread wear and they cost lets say 50 dollars a piece,and they last two maybe three races and you have to buy new ones how is that cost effective. I for one dont have a lot of money to spend

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James4 wrote: I agee with you scott the tires are hard to find. Im worried if we went to a 200 tread wear and they cost lets say 50 dollars a piece,and they last two maybe three races and you have to buy new ones how is that cost effective. I for one dont have a lot of money to spend
I agree we need to keep the cost of the tires in check here ...so lets do some price shoping ....The main thing here is that we are running out of tires to chose from that will cover all the tire sizes that it takes to cover all the cars that are running here now . And buy lowering it to at least 320 it will open the door to a bunch of tires to chose from like scott said and then the price will go down also per tire .

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The world is at the end of your finger tips ....Go to some tire web sites and just do a little looking around and you will see some of what we are saying ...

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THE HIPPIE helped me out with legal tires when i was sucked into this 380 doo doo last time ....THE HIPPIE ROCKS

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not quite sure what the rating on the tires we have for the jcar i do know they are a mild compound tire with a stiff sidewall bought them 2 years ago and they stillhave like 50% tread probably have 15 races at least on them. if a 4000lb jcar gets good tire wear they would probably last 5 years in a light weight mini

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treadwear_rating

I would like to see the tread wear rating disappear totally. There has to be a better way for a tire rule. I have offered the info I have a couple of times and if you take the time to read it and/or call a tire manufacturer or two, you will see it is nothing more than a marketing tool and is governed by no one. The EX-601 was a cheap tire that was found and it became the tire to run. I am sure we can find a new tire that is equally as good but it may have a different rating. Who's to say Nankang didn't fudge a bit on their rating of 380 to sell more cheap tires???

Click open the link above and take a peak.

We can figure this out, Big O is a local store and that is great to support our local shops, but there is a world of options out there like the Rev says, it's at your finger tips. Look around and see what you can come up with and you find tires all over the tread wear rated map. :cool:

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Hey guys as was said at the meeting that rick held a month ago, we are working to find the correct way to adjust the options for the mini stock tire. I realize that there some that would like to know what the change, if any is going to be. But as we said at the meeting, we won't know until after the december workshops when we meet with the manufacturers. Even if the tire treadwear rating rule changes, the tire size options should be the same so it shouldn't impead a build or set up.

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Idaho 7 ..... we were at the same meeting ....And we are giving ....YOU... a hint of some of the tires that ....WE....want our butts to ride around on ....and that ...WE...want to pay for ....so get back to work you bum....

And in your spair time mabe you could help me with this ...on jeffs new car do we run 13'' 14''15'' ...and what tire will we use on that rim that we pick ? is there a 380 tire that will work for us on the 13 ? or do we use the 15? if we use the 13 we will need to use a different ride hite ...or do we use the 15 ooops we made everything wrong and now we have to start all over ....Huuum what off set wheels do we order ??? heck i dont know jeff ....I dont know what tire we are going to use ? but heck lets just go ahead with our build ...we will change everything every day and start new .

To heck with working on cars ...I need a break ...I think im going to go down the street and watch them build a house ...Mabe thay will build the house off to the side and then figure out what footings to put under it later ... :cool:

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They need to stay on a DOT tire. It goes with the spirit of the class and is availiable in all sizes. With so many using 13 14 and 15 it is best way to go. You all need to get off this treadwear rating too. I would say drop it totally and put a 60 or 70 dollar claim on your tires. It's the easiest way to do it really. If you think someone's tire is better than yours, then claim (buy it). The short track goodyears are not the best way to go. they are pricey and will make the faster cars even faster. I have tried them and will contest to that. Be smart with this and look big picture at this. Hope this helps.

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MINI STOCK 34 wrote: They need to stay on a DOT tire. It goes with the spirit of the class and is availiable in all sizes. With so many using 13 14 and 15 it is best way to go. You all need to get off this treadwear rating too. I would say drop it totally and put a 60 or 70 dollar claim on your tires. It's the easiest way to do it really. If you think someone's tire is better than yours, then claim (buy it). The short track goodyears are not the best way to go. they are pricey and will make the faster cars even faster. I have tried them and will contest to that. Be smart with this and look big picture at this. Hope this helps.
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Dave-Jeff
If you want to run the car at any other track in the northwest, I would suggest putting it on 13" wheels regardless of tire. But running at at DCS means that a 14 and a 15 are also an option.
The treadwear deal is stupid I agree, it means nothing towards the durometer reading. I am looking at getting a cap option for our current 15" tire size, but it has to be cheap as hell and be compatible with the spEeds of the DOT rubber or it's not an option. the other option we are looking at is omitting or changing the teardwear part of the verbage. The other option is leaving it alone and everyone can get the 420 treadwear and call it good.
Unfortunatly I cannot get the competative quote on the cap until I get them in the same room.

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