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Posted: Tuesday Apr 8th, 2008 10:18 AM |
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Like I mentioned in a msg to Rick T; reminds me of Doug Wolfgang when he got hurt really, really bad (and Steve Beitler trying to get him out of the car): hope this girl is going to be ok;
http://www.koco.com/news/15809069/detail.html
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Posted: Tuesday Apr 8th, 2008 02:48 PM |
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| That is very sad news to hear. I like what the father of another racer had to say about racing.
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Posted: Tuesday Apr 8th, 2008 10:34 PM |
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Both of those uninformed reporters need to be slapped. 
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Posted: Wednesday Apr 9th, 2008 02:34 AM |
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| Agree Jeep
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Kelly Hart
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Posted: Wednesday Apr 9th, 2008 04:07 PM |
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Gotta love it when do-gooders try to tell you what you can and can't do for family fun. Honestly folks, this is why mainstream media doesn't understand racing. What it's about, who does it and why.
The doubt casting, and underlying tone about things like regulation, safety, etc. If that stuff gets into their State Legislature, or even County politics, it's doomed. What a shame.
And get well Harli.
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Posted: Wednesday Apr 9th, 2008 04:47 PM |
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Kelly Hart wrote:
The doubt casting, and underlying tone about things like regulation, safety, etc. If that stuff gets into their State Legislature, or even County politics, it's doomed. What a shame.
Maybe. But this would have never happened in New Jersey. When it comes to children, sometimes a law can be good.
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Posted: Wednesday Apr 9th, 2008 05:23 PM |
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Why New Jersey? Are there regulations, laws as to age? Interesting comment Blueteam, but you left me hanging!
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Posted: Wednesday Apr 9th, 2008 05:38 PM |
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Loren wrote: Why New Jersey? Are there regulations, laws as to age? Interesting comment Blueteam, but you left me hanging!
All of the forms of racing in New Jersey are governed by the New Jersey State Patrol. They can and do frequently come on site and look for violations of state racing laws. They have the quthority to write tickets, and even shut the events down.
Some would say this is excessive, and in some cases it may be. An example of this is in 1/4 midgets. The Honda classes utilize a gravity flow fuel system - no pump. The New Jersey law treats the class like it has a pressurized fuel system - requiring actual fuel fittings on the hoses, which is impossible to do on a Honda generator carb. They worked something out which allows the slip on hose, but you can't use a worm drive hose clamp - yet it must be clamped. Hard to explain, even harder to do if you've ever seen the fuel line and carb.
Excessive legislation? Maybe. But it beats the alternative, which is a flippin' parent putting their child in a flippin' race car, signing them in at a private race track knowing full well the risks, and then crying foul when something happens because they didn't take a look around and see what they had gotten themselves into.
http://beta.newsok.com/article/keyword/3227467/
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Posted: Wednesday Apr 9th, 2008 06:29 PM |
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wow, as more details emerge this is turning into quite a story. And one that could have possible new rules / regulations for racers by the Oklahoma Legislature.
Being in the category of race fan, and never having done anything more than go-karts in my life, I withheld some thoughts on the very safety issues that the father is now so vocally stating.
I am glad that Blueteam voiced them. As I agree, it is a choice to race, or not race, and certainly the parents are the responsible persons for determining the safety crew, safety abilities of a track where the parents are having their child race at.
I know several years ago, we tragically lost a young lady who was at a racing school here in our own state. The father went to task to attempt to gain legislation in our own state to bring about regulations for racing schools. I never did hear of any legislation, however, that came from his efforts.
State regulating racing is an issue that is being tied into this event by both the media and the Dad. It is certainly being brought out as an issue. Wheter or not anything actually occurs is yet to be seen.
I can only imagine the discussion that could ensue surrounding the issue.
I of course have mixed emotions for young Harli. Heartbroken and so hopeful for the best of possible recoveries for her.
While being a bit harsh with the dad, who did have the full responsiblity of assessing the tracks safety abilities in case of an incident.
From my perspective, as a fan, it is pretty darn obvious if a safety crew is present. And just as obvious if a safety crew is absent. What an amazing thing though and act of selfless courage for the driver that had his suit on for getting Harli out of the car.
Only time will tell if this event becomes a catalyst for required levels of track safety crews and required equipment, or, an event that passes quietly from our attention.
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Posted: Wednesday Apr 9th, 2008 07:20 PM |
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Loren wrote:
I am glad that Blueteam voiced them. As I agree, it is a choice to race, or not race, and certainly the parents are the responsible persons for determining the safety crew, safety abilities of a track where the parents are having their child race at.
Education, communication, self-responsibility, and trust, are all things we can never get enough of.
It's the last one that leads to so many problems. Too many variables in trust.
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Posted: Thursday Apr 10th, 2008 07:42 PM |
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It appears she had a good suit (simpson 2 layer). Just tells me that even in the mini-sprints, good isn't good enough. 3 layers with carbonx undies may have helped.
Steering wheel stuck? Did it break in the crash, or was it a design like the one that caught Wolfie in his car with plastic parts in the release?
Even with the most percautions taken, bad things can still happen. Here's hoping she make a good recovery from this and that others will take the example and re-examine their entire safety programs.
As for the public not understanding, it happens everytime we have a loss or severe injury that the press can use for the drama. Yes, this was one bad situation, but how many kids are crippled in sports like baseball or football every year? I would say as a percentage of participants, racing is no more dangerous than many stick and ball sports and probably safer than rodeo, swimming/diving, or hunting.
Blueteam, if the state patrol has enough understanding to be the first ones called to a racetrack when there is a fatality, then I think New Jersey may have it right allowing them oversite before there is one. Yes, legistative rule writing may cause some problems in specific situations, but I don't see where having (some) expert oversight would be a problem.
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Posted: Thursday Apr 10th, 2008 08:41 PM |
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paldini wrote:
Blueteam, if the state patrol has enough understanding to be the first ones called to a racetrack when there is a fatality, then I think New Jersey may have it right allowing them oversite before there is one. Yes, legistative rule writing may cause some problems in specific situations, but I don't see where having (some) expert oversight would be a problem.
I agree 100%. P.I.T.A. - but better than the alternative in some cases.
I have a bad feeling this deal in Oklahoma is going to get ugly before it's over.
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Posted: Friday Apr 11th, 2008 05:37 AM |
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| Government in racing, we might as well shut all the tracks down before they do, so they can't get any satisfaction
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Posted: Friday Apr 11th, 2008 04:25 PM |
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well, gov't already is in racing. Permitting, city and county ordiances that determine operating days and times, taxation of the track's property value, admission taxes, taxes on all concessions.
So, why not have a state run commission, made up of racers, legislators, engineers, police, fireman, medical folks, who could set reasonable safety standards of safety equipment and safety personnel before a track could conduct testing, racing.
The costs of such would be passed off onto the fans most likely. Heck, I would be the first to be willing to pay an extra buck or two on admission to assure the track could operate with qualified safety crews and equipment.
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Posted: Tuesday Apr 15th, 2008 11:05 AM |
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Good post, Blueteam. Yes, perhaps a bit of government regulation should be applied for underaged racers.
Her Dad evidently thought he was doing his kid a favor by putting her on the path that Jeff Gordon's step dad put him on. Hey, you can't start 'em too young if you want to raise a winner!
Valuable lesson to all you parents out there: When you put your little kid in that high horsepower car, are you just thinking of being the parent of the next Jeff Gordon. Or have you ever considered that your kid may end up looking like the next Nikki Lauda? Just something to consider.
The difference between this and stick and ball sports is that when a kid gets hit in football, he normally doesn't burst into flames. The spectacular profile of this is what is causing the stir. Seriously, if racing can't police itself, the government will.
Get well soon, Harli.
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Posted: Thursday Apr 17th, 2008 08:13 AM |
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| Loren, I couldn't agree more. Well said.
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Posted: Sunday Apr 27th, 2008 03:04 PM |
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Loren wrote: well, gov't already is in racing. Permitting, city and county ordiances that determine operating days and times, taxation of the track's property value, admission taxes, taxes on all concessions.
So, why not have a state run commission, made up of racers, legislators, engineers, police, fireman, medical folks, who could set reasonable safety standards of safety equipment and safety personnel before a track could conduct testing, racing.
The costs of such would be passed off onto the fans most likely. Heck, I would be the first to be willing to pay an extra buck or two on admission to assure the track could operate with qualified safety crews and equipment.
All I have to say to that, look how bad Govt. is doing with our economy and then the biggest joke of all the DMV. LOL
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