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Posted: Monday Mar 10th, 2008 05:37 PM |
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Well....Tony tossed a gernade at poor ole Goodyear didn't he, 2 major rants in as many days
In a third he said all Goodyear tires that were found to be on his personal vehicles would be removed and replaced with Firestones......Goodyear should really like that too
When Tony talks people do listen it seems, for whatever reasons.
Tony was summoned to the Nascar truck shortly after the interviews were completed and was seen in a heated debate with Mike Helton...
Tonys show "Tony Stewart Live" on Sirius tonight should be a hoot to listen to...what a coincidence that Mike Helton was/is scheduled to be his guess tonight.
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Posted: Monday Mar 10th, 2008 06:11 PM |
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I am wondering how many free hoosiers that plug for hoosier netted his outlaw teams 
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Posted: Monday Mar 10th, 2008 07:07 PM |
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| I couldn't believe how hard he hammered Goodyear. If you listen to Sirius, that's all they were talking about on the NASCAR channel this morning. I love Tony Stewart, all he does is give us stuff to talk about.
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Posted: Monday Mar 10th, 2008 07:17 PM |
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Ok just to fan the fire....wonder what he is gonna do when the Fastrak late models come to Eldora???? Goodyear is the only tire they can run....interesting to see whats gonna go on there
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Posted: Monday Mar 10th, 2008 09:00 PM |
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I know that Stewart is known as a "whiner" and a ranter, but when someone, anyone, goes off to the extreme that he did, you have to think that he has a serious problem with that product.
Think of it from his point of view. Last week he was motoring along when with no warning, the tire blew and gave him one of the biggest hits he has ever suffered in one of these cars. That would be enough to make someone a bit tense the next time they put their life at risk using that product.
Then this past weekend, he spent 3 or more hours with the feeling of being on ice. Anyone who has ever driven on ice would know that anything more than a few minutes of doing so will make you tense and aggitated.
I understand why Goodyear went with a harder tire since the last test at Atlanta had shown excessive wear and the last race was marred with several tire failures. But can't there be a reasonable medium ground where the tires still have grip yet don't wear out pre-maturely?
Am I not remembering correctly, or wasn't there a big issue with Nascar about 3-4 years ago where every race was a fuel economy run because the tires never wore out and never dropped off in performance?
Call Tony a whiner, but I do believe the facts back up his rant. The tires have been less than dependable or consistant this year. Yes, the teams have some responsibility to be sure that casters/cambers/toes/pressures are within the specifications and the drivers need to take care of the tires they have. It just seems to me that they need to have a more consitant product.
I do not advocate a tire war. That is bad for the sport and for safety. But if Goodyear is not able to provide a product that is safe and effective for where the sport it today, they need to bow out and let someone else be the sole supplier.
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Posted: Monday Mar 10th, 2008 09:39 PM |
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| A hard tire is a safe tire it doesn't get hot it doesn't wear out the cars are slower and harder to drive. Some drivers want to be able to run down into the corner wide open and have the car stick everytime. The soft tires will do that untill the rf blows and they go piling into the fence at 190 mph. Make the tire really hard and slow maybe the guys would have to slow it down getting into the corners at Daytona and Talledaga and we could throw the resrictor plates away to.
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Posted: Monday Mar 10th, 2008 09:41 PM |
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paldini wrote: I know that Stewart is known as a "whiner" and a ranter, but when someone, anyone, goes off to the extreme that he did, you have to think that he has a serious problem with that product.
Think of it from his point of view. Last week he was motoring along when with no warning, the tire blew and gave him one of the biggest hits he has ever suffered in one of these cars. That would be enough to make someone a bit tense the next time they put their life at risk using that product.
Then this past weekend, he spent 3 or more hours with the feeling of being on ice. Anyone who has ever driven on ice would know that anything more than a few minutes of doing so will make you tense and aggitated.
I understand why Goodyear went with a harder tire since the last test at Atlanta had shown excessive wear and the last race was marred with several tire failures. But can't there be a reasonable medium ground where the tires still have grip yet don't wear out pre-maturely?
Am I not remembering correctly, or wasn't there a big issue with Nascar about 3-4 years ago where every race was a fuel economy run because the tires never wore out and never dropped off in performance?
Call Tony a whiner, but I do believe the facts back up his rant. The tires have been less than dependable or consistant this year. Yes, the teams have some responsibility to be sure that casters/cambers/toes/pressures are within the specifications and the drivers need to take care of the tires they have. It just seems to me that they need to have a more consitant product.
I do not advocate a tire war. That is bad for the sport and for safety. But if Goodyear is not able to provide a product that is safe and effective for where the sport it today, they need to bow out and let someone else be the sole supplier.
I think alot of it is the new car ... lots of testing done on the car apparently not enough on the tires it will require.
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Posted: Monday Mar 10th, 2008 09:42 PM |
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Right or wrong for saying it, you got to respect his opinion. In this case I think he was wrong and used very poor judgement in publicly talking trash about Goodyear. Especially considering he was 2nd in the race and there were no major tire failure that caused any injuries.
But as BB27 stated, he does give us stuff to talk about.
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Posted: Tuesday Mar 11th, 2008 12:23 AM |
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I`m with Bankerbill on this one! Ya gotta love his guts to say what`s on his mind, regardless of how much trouble it will cost him! No canned answers from Tony. He makes NAPCAR interesting!
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Posted: Tuesday Mar 11th, 2008 12:48 AM |
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| Did anyone catch Tony's Sirius show? I thought for sure he'd back down a little and change his statements. Not at all! I love this guy! I'm missing the Mike Helton segment right now, but oh well, didn't feel like sitting in the car.
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Posted: Tuesday Mar 11th, 2008 12:56 AM |
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Correct Bill.....he didn't soften his position at all, in fact he tossed Goodyear under the bus even further.
Again he said all Goodyear tires would be removed from any of his rigs as he questioned that if Goodyear couldn't make a race tire perhaps their street tires weren't safe......
Thats a bold move to say that....
Goodyear declined to be on his show today and even Mike Helton kinda backpedaled a bit and went right off topic.
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Posted: Tuesday Mar 11th, 2008 03:05 AM |
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The reason for the tire change from last fall was because NASCAR's deal when the NNS and Cup cars run together they share the same tire. The NNS car has approx. 400lbs of down force more on each corner vs the COT. That was explained during qulifying last Friday right after they all qualified 10mph slower than the track record. 
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Posted: Tuesday Mar 11th, 2008 03:17 AM |
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Just my opinion but I don't think it is a tire problem at all. It is a car problem. These guys that have come into the sport the last 10 or so years are flat spoiled because of downforce. The cars of late have had so much downforce they could practically drive em flat out most of the time because they were buried in the track, kind of like todays 360 sprintcars. Listen to the older drivers and they liken the new car to the notchbacks of the 1980 era. Little downforce made you get up on the wheel and drive them every inch. HELLO! That is what race drivers do.
Everybody thinks Kyle Busch is very entertaining to watch. Do you know why? Because that kid is up on wheel driving that car every inch.
Can you imagine how cool it would be to watch the late great Dale Earnhardt now if he was still alive. Bet you would not hear him bitchin, just smilin as he passed you on the apron like Rowdy Busch!....... Damn I miss that guy!
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Posted: Tuesday Mar 11th, 2008 05:45 AM |
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| Go Carl Edwards,He didn't think they were all that bad, Mennard thought they made for fun racing, you could hang the rear out. Maybe smoke needs to dial his car in better or learn how to drive a loose race car( I like it when smoke is throwing a fit, If I was Goodyear I make shure smoke got all the miss matched tires). Nascar and goodyear need to offer two tires like the Woo, a soft and a hard compound and that way you had a choice, so if you had tire issuses you should of chose the other tire. Does anybody stop to think that goodyear is making or giving nascar what they say they want in a tire, Nascar gets what they want, period. Nascar's way or the highway.
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Posted: Tuesday Mar 11th, 2008 03:58 PM |
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I would agree that there is a car problem in that this new car has different downforce and roll center numbers than the old car. But this is the car that is going to be run all year, so maybe Goodyear needs to quit trying to find one of the old tires that will work on the new car, and develop a tire specifically for this car.
I believe they invited all of 3 cars to Darlington for the test on the new surface. I agree with Jeff Hammond that 3 cars is not enough. They should test with more cars to get the information they need.
Another point Hammond made this week is that the car was not really the problem at Atlanta because Vegas is a similar size and bank track and the tires got ahold of the track. The hard tires at Atl may have been as much a result of T. Stewart's tire failure at Vegas.
Tony was over the top with his comments, but it is easy to exaggerate when you feel there is a major issue that is not being dealt with. Most of the other drivers said that they were on the ragged edge all day, even if they think Tony was too harsh in his comments.
I have no problem with running a hard tire everywhere that does not get ahold of the track. If you do that, it needs to be consistent everywhere. Since my drivers are Smoke and Rowdy, I believe they will win more than their share on that type of tire. But keep in mind that if you have that as the rule for the tire, you will see racing like you did this past weekend. Jr. drove to a 6 second lead in the first 30 laps and put half the field a lap down and there was very little side by side racing because no one had enough grip to confidently pull along side anyone else. Not what I call "good racing"
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Posted: Tuesday Mar 11th, 2008 03:59 PM |
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Ooops. Hit send twice! Last edited on Tuesday Mar 11th, 2008 04:00 PM by paldini
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Posted: Wednesday Mar 12th, 2008 01:10 AM |
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Look at it this way.
How many cars were running at the end of that race?
41? 1 of those was an engine failure.
Nothing wrong with the tires, imo.
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Posted: Wednesday Mar 12th, 2008 01:52 AM |
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| Might have been 40 cars running at the end , but only 12 on the lead lap...not what we are used to seeing at Atlanta.
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Posted: Wednesday Mar 12th, 2008 05:20 PM |
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mesprint69 wrote: Might have been 40 cars running at the end , but only 12 on the lead lap...not what we are used to seeing at Atlanta.
Well, if it wasn't for Nascar's timely "debris" cautions, every race would be like that. Cautions are what keep people from going laps down. Gives them a chance to get caught up, get some fresh tires and possibly make an adjustment. Without the yellow they have to rely on quick changes during green flag pitstops. I watched them hype that race up the entire week with past commercials of Harvick / Gordon and other close finishes, but they don't all end up like that.
I understand from a viewer standpoint, it's not the race anyone wants to see. Sometimes that's just the way it goes. I don't think anyone wanted the track to be 1 groove in Chico last week because it made the race not as fun to watch. Then again, the race still turned out to be a pretty good one. Just not as much passing.
Back to the point of the post, though. Gotta love anyone who speaks their mind in Nascar. People like that are starting to become scarce.
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Posted: Thursday Mar 13th, 2008 05:00 AM |
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Gotta love anyone who speaks their mind in Nascar. People like that are starting to become scarce.
Amen.
I agree with the old saying that goes kind of like this: "The only valid complaint is one directed at those who can resolve it"
But then there's: "Would you like some cheese with that whine?"
The difference is: who's listening and what do they care? Depends on the credentials of the speaker, huh? I think Tony knows what he's talking about.
Sometimes you have to go a little too far to get noticed or listened to. But it works.
For some reason, Goodyear is out and Hoosier is in at Montana Raceway Park.
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Posted: Friday Mar 14th, 2008 05:27 PM |
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10_Racing wrote: Look at it this way.
How many cars were running at the end of that race?
41? 1 of those was an engine failure.
Nothing wrong with the tires, imo.
You got a very valid point there. I think it was Rick who had stated that with the COT and the new tires the racing is returing to a drivers race. You cannot fault NASCAR for putting the race back in the hands of the driver. Drivers who love to drive the raged edge sliding all around are obviously going to do better.
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Posted: Saturday Mar 15th, 2008 02:30 AM |
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Stewart Meets with Goodyear
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oops.....double post and no delete option
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