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Posted: Wednesday Jun 18th, 2008 10:33 PM |
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| Any one planning on attending Saturday's race will have an opportunity to get some practice in Friday afternoon. Open practice for all classes begins at 5:00, but Bill Arnold will open the track at 3:30 for midgets and sprints only. Cost is $20.00 per car and $5.00 per pit pass.
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Posted: Thursday Jun 19th, 2008 12:18 AM |
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| Do you know how much it will cost for people who just want to come and watch?
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Posted: Thursday Jun 19th, 2008 12:19 AM |
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Then it goes to how many people are going over to Madras for the Oregon DoubleShot Series. So most of the Nonwing Sprints that run the ODS will not be there or the ODS Midgets.
That is most of the time 16 to 20 Sprints and 8 to 12 Midgets.
So the Sept. and Oct. Race's will have most of the ODS cars.
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Posted: Thursday Jun 19th, 2008 12:21 AM |
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Hey S.I.S,
The stands have always been open and free for the practice sessions.
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Posted: Thursday Jun 19th, 2008 12:23 AM |
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SITSINSTANDS wrote: Do you know how much it will cost for people who just want to come and watch?
$5.00 pit pass, most of the time the stands are open. Bring a lawn chair and set in the middle.
You should be able to take your son into the pits. So call the track and ask. Last edited on Thursday Jun 19th, 2008 12:24 AM by sclmfan
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Posted: Thursday Jun 19th, 2008 12:24 AM |
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| Very cool and I will be there Friday. I am working on Saturday joining you in the pits. I need to find someone to watch my kid. I know a few people in the stands and hopefully I can find someone that is willing to keep an eye on him.
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Posted: Thursday Jun 19th, 2008 12:25 AM |
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sclmfan wrote: SITSINSTANDS wrote: Do you know how much it will cost for people who just want to come and watch?
$5.00 pit pass, most of the time the stands are open. Bring a lawn chair and set in the middle.
You should be able to take your son into the pits. So call the track and ask.
Are you telling me they allow 10 year olds in the pits? If so I will be there both days.
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Posted: Thursday Jun 19th, 2008 12:29 AM |
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No for the practice. On race nights no.
I will be over in Madras on the 21stI own Part of a Sprint car that runs the ODS. I also Crew Cheif on 1 or 2 or 3 or... on most nights.
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Posted: Thursday Jun 19th, 2008 12:31 AM |
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sclmfan wrote: Then it goes to how many people are going over to Madras for the Oregon DoubleShot Series. So most of the Nonwing Sprints that run the ODS will not be there or the ODS Midgets.
That is most of the time 16 to 20 Sprints and 8 to 12 Midgets.
So the Sept. and Oct. Race's will have most of the ODS cars.
Not sure how that post fits this topic....but - Friday is another good opportunity for the ODS guys that haven't run at Willamette to come see how they like the track. So far the guys that have practiced have all come off the track with wide grins on their faces. Always a good sign with a driver!!  Last edited on Thursday Jun 19th, 2008 12:36 AM by S and M Racing Crew
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Posted: Thursday Jun 19th, 2008 12:37 AM |
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Yes, but some of use have been there all ready. We went down on that sunday practice and eat a D25 Right Rear tire.
Most of the ODS drivers have raced for years. So most just need hot laps to get the track wired in. We went down to get our second year driver more laps at a faster speed. Also to get the car owner some laps.
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Posted: Thursday Jun 19th, 2008 01:22 AM |
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sclmfan wrote: Yes, but some of use have been there all ready. We went down on that sunday practice and eat a D25 Right Rear tire.
Most of the ODS drivers have raced for years. So most just need hot laps to get the track wired in. We went down to get our second year driver more laps at a faster speed. Also to get the car owner some laps.
Okay I may be stupid, but that post makes no sense whatsoever to me. I would think any driver that wants to drive would be there to run the track no matter if they had been there or not, it is frigging practice for gosh sakes. WS is a drivers track when they have been there before, otherwise you had better be careful.
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Posted: Thursday Jun 19th, 2008 01:47 AM |
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SITSINSTANDS wrote: sclmfan wrote: Yes, but some of use have been there all ready. We went down on that sunday practice and eat a D25 Right Rear tire.
Most of the ODS drivers have raced for years. So most just need hot laps to get the track wired in. We went down to get our second year driver more laps at a faster speed. Also to get the car owner some laps.
Okay I may be stupid, but that post makes no sense whatsoever to me. I would think any driver that wants to drive would be there to run the track no matter if they had been there or not, it is frigging practice for gosh sakes. WS is a drivers track when they have been there before, otherwise you had better be careful.
I think I can translate for you Paul -
RR tire - $200
Methanol - (conservative estimate) $5/gal x 20 gals for packing and practice = $100
Oil & Filter - $45
One night on motor for freshen - $250
Pit pass and gate fee for 4 guys - $40
Fuel for hauler - Estimate(don't know how far they tow but...) $100
Practice only - = no payout
Total cost for practice only when driver/owner feels he doesn't need it - $735
Conservative estimate hoping nothing gets torn up simply practicing for a race the poster said they wouldn't be at on the 21st.
Makes perfect sense to me.
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Posted: Thursday Jun 19th, 2008 04:48 AM |
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Bluteam wrote: SITSINSTANDS wrote: sclmfan wrote: Yes, but some of use have been there all ready. We went down on that sunday practice and eat a D25 Right Rear tire.
Most of the ODS drivers have raced for years. So most just need hot laps to get the track wired in. We went down to get our second year driver more laps at a faster speed. Also to get the car owner some laps.
Okay I may be stupid, but that post makes no sense whatsoever to me. I would think any driver that wants to drive would be there to run the track no matter if they had been there or not, it is frigging practice for gosh sakes. WS is a drivers track when they have been there before, otherwise you had better be careful.
I think I can translate for you Paul -
RR tire - $200
Methanol - (conservative estimate) $5/gal x 20 gals for packing and practice = $100
Oil & Filter - $45
One night on motor for freshen - $250
Pit pass and gate fee for 4 guys - $40
Fuel for hauler - Estimate(don't know how far they tow but...) $100
Practice only - = no payout
Total cost for practice only when driver/owner feels he doesn't need it - $735
Conservative estimate hoping nothing gets torn up simply practicing for a race the poster said they wouldn't be at on the 21st.
Makes perfect sense to me.
No packing got what was left from Saturday Night races just added some water.
Methanol $8.00 per gallon used about 15 gallons $120
That Practice was free. Or we would not have gone down.
North of Vancouver to Portland got trailer and went south.
Fuel Diesel Pick-up $4.47 estimate. $150
Just more oil, have trick screan filter.
Right rear tire $285
Total $555 or so
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Posted: Thursday Jun 19th, 2008 02:02 PM |
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The point here is that the promoter is AGAIN making an effort to give the open wheel guys some track time separate from his stock car classes. And, if you've been on the track in a 1,000 pound midget at speed with those 3500 pound behemoths, you would realize what a nice gesture that is on Bill Arnold's part. He doesn't have to start his day at the track early, but is willing to do so for these guys.
Every team has to decide how best to spend their race budget. If practice doesn't fit in so be it. But for the guys that want to practice, here's an opportunity. And there are VERY few tracks that have regular (if any at all!) practice sessions.
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Posted: Thursday Jun 19th, 2008 04:52 PM |
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I agree with S&M, the promoter is giving racers a chance to try out the track and practice for free and next to free on two different dates and not profitting from it. (wow, what a concept !) Come and practice if you want or don't but, don't ***** about it or question his motive as being negative. It's not his fault that fuel and methanol is expensive. As far as a $285 tire ? Just wondering if they at least mount it for that price ? Cause it sounds like somebody is getting mounted on that deal !
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Posted: Thursday Jun 19th, 2008 09:35 PM |
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Now I'm confused. Did I miss something? Who said anything about someone else being negative or questioning a motive?
Paul said he didn't understand a post. It was explained to him why someone would choose not to spend money practicing. Nothing negative there. Just simple math if someone feels they don't need practice.
For the record - we would have loved the practice. Can use all of it we can get. Just not in the cards this time. Not being negative - not questioning motive. Just simple math.
OH - and I agree - $285 for a RR tire don't seem right. Makes me really appreciate the ASCS spec $189 RR tire. 
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Posted: Friday Jun 20th, 2008 05:51 AM |
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Ok here is the Deal from some of the racers. We as a group have Schedule out for the ODS Series. Then this race pops up on the same day as the ODS Series Race in Madras. The Promotor of the ODS had his contract writer write up a contract and send it to Arnolds and got no responce back. Not once but twice.
So we have a split. Most of the Nonwing and Midget cars are loyal to the ODS series. All the ODS Series wants is 1 or 2 races at Lebanon. If it works out for next year we would like 1 or 2 races tobe ODS races. There's not enough Nonwing cars in the Portland area for 2 series. 8 to 10 cars suck for a good show. Midgets even worse 3 or 4 cars suck even more.
And no this is not for Promotor of the series it's for the racers that like to run Nonwing and want to run at Lebanon.
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Posted: Friday Jun 20th, 2008 06:21 AM |
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Excuse me for chiming in here...........
Paul, I'm not so sure the youngins' can be in the pits during practice. I recall the officialls chasing the younger kids out during one of our practices.........prolly best to verify with the track. I know for a fact they have to be a certain age to be in the pits during a race.........just not sure what that age is either anymore. Don't forget the white pants rule if you're going to the pits. They are enforcing that rule to the max this season.
On another note...........I am curious to see the car counts for both tracks (WS & Madras) come Monday mornin'. One would think the racers would go to where ever the biggest purse is.
Y'all have fun! We're off to Elma for the I-5 race............Yee-haw!
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Posted: Friday Jun 20th, 2008 07:11 AM |
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nick tomlinson motorsports will be at lebanon. saturday night way closer to home than the weekly skagit deal we have been trying to do.
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Posted: Friday Jun 20th, 2008 04:37 PM |
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| Otto, has it ever occured to you that maybe Lebanon does not want to sign a contract with ODS and would rather run their own program. Maybe they don't like the ODS format or the payout ($100 for the midgets win lose or draw) or just maybe they don't like some of the people heading the group but still wants to have a non wing and midget race. It doesn't make them bad guys. I believe this June date is the only one that has conflicted with any of the ODS dates, sometimes scheduling conflicts happen and can't be avoided as we have seen with other races at other tracks. Ted, I did not mean to suggest you were posting negative comments. Between this site, Keevan and the Noma sites there has been a bit of negativity in regards to the practices and races scheduled at Lebanon. I do recall you and Paul going back and forth in a long thread about promoters, sanctioning bodies and that whole pissing contest between Noma and Lebanon so, you probally know what I'm talking about. Even some stock car people were complaining about them not getting equal practices, etc.. I guess my point is, if the track isn't prepped right or the car count sucks and the racing is bad or the promoter doesn't pay what was posted, then complain otherwise give it a chance.
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Posted: Friday Jun 20th, 2008 04:50 PM |
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br wrote: Between this site, Keevan and the Noma sites
Well there is the first problem ... you are looking at other sites If you just visit here you will notice only 1/3rd of the bs.
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Posted: Friday Jun 20th, 2008 04:54 PM |
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br wrote: Ted, I did not mean to suggest you were posting negative comments. Between this site, Keevan and the Noma sites there has been a bit of negativity in regards to the practices and races scheduled at Lebanon. I do recall you and Paul going back and forth in a long thread about promoters, sanctioning bodies and that whole pissing contest between Noma and Lebanon so, you probally know what I'm talking about.
Ok Jeff - thanks. I do recall the banter last Fall with Paul which led to him stating he was quiting this m/b. I just didn't see anything negative in this thread that leaned that way again, though I'm sure the feelings run strong on both sides.
Lets hope they get this figured out so nobody feels like they have to choose sides and everyone sitting in the stands gets their money's worth.
Good luck this weekend, and cool to see the field of Focus Midgets growing at GHR with the help of guys like yourself.
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Posted: Friday Jun 20th, 2008 05:07 PM |
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| Thanks Ted, are you guys running at Lebanon Saturday?
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br wrote: Thanks Ted, are you guys running at Lebanon Saturday?
No - wish we were. Just too tight in the budget this year to do any traveling right now. Got one disappointed kid. He really wanted to test out the power steering in his non-wing car. LOL.
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Posted: Saturday Jun 21st, 2008 12:44 AM |
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The Stock Car Person I know who is. And they have a good point. Why give poeple free practice when they have to pay. That was all the Stock car person was saying.
Thats not what the big deal is. That is not what the problem is.
The problem is the ODS Series was the ONLY Nonwing Series around. No one else wanted Nonwing Cars till it took off, then and now other track or Organization is trying to split up what has been going on for 3 years. As the ODS was started the Promotor contacted Lebanon for a race and got .... and each year contacts them and gets....
And yes there is somthing going on behind the scene that most people don't know about.
Yes we have a Promotor battle going on. As I put it before why not have an ODS race next year and see how many cars you get. It's for the racers not the Promotors. I know of 16 of more cars that you would get. All of them run the ODS Series now.
And yes I know Bill Arnold. I have talked to him more than a few times. I once was a Crew Member for a very good Late Model team that for years has ran at Lebanon.
Now I own part or some of a Nonwing Car. The Car owner ran at Lebanon years ago on Fridays. In a Winged Sprint Car.
And as of now we are going to race the Sept and Oct shows at Lebanon. The ODS Series is over.
P.S. If Lebanon once to run there own deal then get a hold of the ODS Promotion and set the dates so they don't conflict. You my get some of the ODS Cars.
Also no one has ever said the ODS has to run this Program or that. As far as payout more the better. We as racers are very flexable. If they want to pay more than the ODS by all means do it.
As far as Qualifing ODS and most of the track We go to don't have a light or timer beam. They have My laps or transponder. Banks No, Cottage Grove Yes, Madras No, St Helens Not that I know of, Coos Bay we will see July 4th and 5th.
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I know for a fact that they would get some ODS cars...and they WILL. Just this date conflicts. I know a guy who isnt running right now, and one of his big complaints was payout and not running at Lebanon. Who knows maybe he will dust off the old car and bring it out later in the year. And just because a guy starts a series...and then another track wants to run those types of cars and not run that series...doesnt make the track in the wrong.
USAC was around first....so is USCA bad for starting a new series?? NO. Cottage Grove ran winged sprint cars...then a certain person got ahold of Eugene Speedway and started running winged sprint cars. Pot meet Kettle
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Posted: Saturday Jun 21st, 2008 04:07 PM |
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This thread started out as informational, but sclmfan is determined to make it ODS vs the world, so let's chat a bit.
Why is the ODS so flippin afraid that there may be sprint/midget races somewhere in the state that doesn't involve them? Why is it such a big deal? A promoter wants to take a chance and stage some races. You guys have your club, and your own schedule. By all means you should go and support your club. If the club is in good shape you have no reason to be concerned. Right?
That being said, does the fact that I've recieved phone calls from an ODS member wondering if I'd support another organization mean that the club ISN"T in good shape? Not for me to say. But that along with all this hand wringing over these Lebanon races certainly does make me wonder. There is an old business saying that goes something like this..the only business owner that is afraid of competition, is the business owner that isn't taking care of business. If your leadership is "taking care of business", you should all be one big happy family, and have no reason to raise such a stink about these races.
If some of your guys decide to support races other than ODS, you might be wise to look in your own closet, instead of placing blame somewhere else.
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Posted: Sunday Jun 22nd, 2008 02:31 AM |
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| Exactly right....I always laugh when people act like their "deal" is the only way to go. BS. People will go where they wanna go to run. If I had a car...it would be at Lebanon.
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It was 1 race and Not returning Contacts. Nothing else. It was what other poeple were saying. not what I already knew. I knew why this Date(June 21st) was chosen. The Late Models were up at Elma. So the date conflict was only done because they wanted another class of cars to run. The big thing was not retuning the contact info.
Funny the 30 cars were over at Madras. And so was someones Brother.
There were 15 USCA Cars and 2 Madras Cars, Midgets were around 10 or 12 cars.
How many cars ran Lebanon?
And as I said We will be at Lebanon later for the Sept and Oct races.
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