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| Posted: Thursday Aug 9th, 2012 11:49 PM |
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Nichole Gamell Member 
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Just putting my feelers out there....... What are your thoughts about starting a Limited / Crate Motor Winged Sprint Class at Grays Harbor Raceway in 2013? Pros? Cons? More affordable? Higher car count? Would love to hear your thoughts.......
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| Posted: Friday Aug 10th, 2012 12:30 AM |
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Kaleb Administrator 
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Nichole Gamell wrote:Just putting my feelers out there....... My thoughts would be completely based on two questions: Are these an addition to the GHR Roster of Classes or a replacement for the 360s? How close to the existing Limited Sprint rules in the NW would these be?
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| Posted: Friday Aug 10th, 2012 12:38 AM |
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Nichole Gamell Member
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Kaleb, We would most certainly never replace our 360 class. We are simply looking for something that would help promote the sprint class at GHR. This would be in addition to the current classes. We have just had many many inquiries about doing a Limited Sprint Class at GHR for the 2013 season. In today's economy making cars more affordable for today's driver is something we should look at.
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| Posted: Friday Aug 10th, 2012 12:53 AM |
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I don't think so. Its an expense that someone will have to pay out of pocket to get one of the crates. Once upon a time I harbored dreams of putting a sprint car together. I certainly could not then, nor now, afford a crate motor to be in the "limited" class. It would probably be one class too many at GHR...would something be eliminated? Hornets are starting to get counts, and they dont race for purse most times...midgets aren't going anywhere...mods/hobbies/sprints have been around forever...where does a second class of sprint cars fit?
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| Posted: Friday Aug 10th, 2012 12:59 AM |
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Nichole Gamell Member
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Where do they fit in you ask? In our schedule is where they shall fit in. We would divide it up amongst the 360 events.
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| Posted: Friday Aug 10th, 2012 01:17 AM |
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Nikki, I think Jerry's crate motor deal is great , but Limited Cars as we know them, are pretty much full blown 360's with heads and as per one, "well known Cottage Grove source", only about 2-3/10's slower, on your Gray's Harbor track that could be a problem for the Crate Cars, If your looking for car count, you may want to take a hard look at non-winged AND/OR at the old WESCO model/rules for Econo Sprints, and there right in your back yard, ready to go, I think !!! R.B.
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| Posted: Friday Aug 10th, 2012 01:22 AM |
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Don S. Member 
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How many crates exist today. How many will exist in 2013. How many that do exist have ran at GHR to show the pracicality of them. What would be the projected payout differance for the crates and 360's. How will a sealed motor that has to be opened up an modified to work in a sprint REALLY be teched. And most importantly, how do fans like two classes of sprints with far less than full fields on a regular basis. Not easy questions, but a serious reality. 40 yrs of sprint racing and I have seen it all come, and go, and show up yet again only to repeat. Cheap cameros exist. Cheap or affordable sprint cars do not.
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| Posted: Friday Aug 10th, 2012 01:24 AM |
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JMO,i dont think adding a another class is a bad idea.there are lots of sprint fans for sure.I was hoping for some sort of truck class.a class like your talking about would be good for people like me with kids that race quarter midgets.we could probably come up with money for an engine like your talking about but not a 360.
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| Posted: Friday Aug 10th, 2012 01:38 AM |
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skinny42 Member
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why not go with the WESCO model? there's guys with stuff just sitting there that don't run Wesco anymore because its strictly pavement. Or have a choice, run the crate, or run a flat top, cast iron motor, and figure out some sort of weight penalty or something? So Nikki, I'm to understand that you would cut back on the number of 360 races in order to get the crate sprints on the schedule? You would never see another dollar from my family going to GHR again, I can tell you that. Cutting back 360's at Elma is not the answer. Sprint cars are what made that track what it is today; without sprint cars and the man behind the sprint cars, you would be running a track that was small, slow, narrow, and not nearly as "big time" as it is now? Or have you forgotten that? FB didn't pump life into that track for the number of dates for 360s to get cut back. Or am I reading you wrong?
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| Posted: Friday Aug 10th, 2012 03:12 AM |
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Rick Terry Administrator 
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Ok, lets consider the whole package. Put it all on the table. Schramm group is in charge of Sunset Speedway, Willamette Speedway and Grays Harbor Speedway. For all we know, the Grove could be next as it is in trouble. Also consider the Schramm group is in control of ASCS N/W traveling group which have historically been based out of GHR. My honest opinion is that they want to get this limited crate program started up here to operate in conjunction with the Sunset program. It is no secret that the 360 program has suffered this and last season with low car counts. The thinking to me appears to get this crate class going and it would work with Sunset class and limit 360 shows to only ASCS N/W sanctioned events. Hobbies have good fields this year but lets face it, if it were not for mods there would be no show at GHR. They have been the ticket. It is just to bad they have not been rewarded for it more. Hmmmm, lets see..7 sprintcars vs 20 mods..hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm One of my biggest problems with the new crate class is that I have been against having more sprint classes for years. There are just to many. I understand the whole cheaper and the ecomony is bad blah,blah,blah theory but I saw this same exact approach kill late model pavement stock car racing here in the N/W and see it happening again. Hell, just look around. Who has full fields in sprintcar racing right now and you want to start another? Another problem is that there is a track to north that does basically nothing but sprintcars. They have an economy class that works really well.There is also a bunch of Wesco cars sitiing around that fit in the economy bunch. If you want to add to the cheaper class of sprintcar racing why not get on the same page as a guy that has been doing it for years up north? But noooooooooo, GHR and Skagit on the same page? I don't get it. Anyway, I am going to stop now before saying something regretful. Just some food for thought is all I putting out there boys an girls. The Wilskeys and I and others worked hard to get our feet in the door with Skagit in 2007 with NSCS only to have it lost the next year. All I am saying is quit going in different directions all the time and maybe try to work together with what we have now and make it better for everyone instead of just the few. Carry on with the discussion.. 
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| Posted: Friday Aug 10th, 2012 05:21 AM |
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One question for you Nikki. How is it possible for a crate class when Jerry banned the crate engine package for the USRA mods? When I talked directly to USRA in Iowa, they were scratching their heads since Jerry was the first out of hundreds of promoters. Just curious. Also, tracks back east are running 2 day shows on weekly shows. Friday nights are stock car classes & saturday nights are sprint type classes. Let's get a B Mod class going too. 2 Link or leafspring suspension, 2800lbs with 360 ci, cam lift rule, & 2 barrel or crate package & 4 barrel. Just throwing it out there.
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| Posted: Friday Aug 10th, 2012 12:29 PM |
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I just came back from Texas, OK., & Colo., the big limited class down there is the 305 division with the corvette injection sys. the class is growing fast it's a stepping stone for the the kids coming up through the rangs & a cheaper way for the the drivers who can't aford there 360 & 410 habits anymore & it's good racing, I am also seeing some of the older 60's & 70's style modifides be put back together & running some good shows. Just a thought.
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| Posted: Friday Aug 10th, 2012 01:25 PM |
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The problem with any Sprint Car is they all cost the same before you add Motor to the equation. As I have put on here before do a ASCS Headed Motor, flat top pistons and a MSD box with 7500 chip. A lot of cast iron heads flow more than the ASCS heads and make more power. Run 3.48 crank through with 5 1/2 stock length rods. stops the need to turn engine at 9000 RPM. But with the ASCS head you can run any ASCS show even the Nationals if you want.
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| Posted: Friday Aug 10th, 2012 02:56 PM |
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Only my opinion here.... Before adding another class of Sprint Car, why don't you work on finding out what is wrong with the current class and the reasons cars are staying away? There are at least a handfull of cars that are in perfect working order, owners/drivers have the money to be racing, but they are not. Have you tried contacting them to ask why they are not showing up? When teams drive right by the track to go to another track 5 hours away for a regular weekly show, why is that? Also why is it that we don't get done until almost 11 pm? Run the show on time, efficiently, and get it done in 3 hours. Make it so that a family with kids know they can get out of there and get the kids to bed at a halfway decent hour. Once the cars hit the track, it is what it is, everybody has to run on the same track. The cars get changed to race on the track we see, not so that we can change everything again after the track gets torn up again. No one wants to sit there and watch machinery for an hour partway thru the program. Slowing the program down to sell more beer and concessions is not going to keep the fans coming back. The cost of a Sprint Car regardless of the class is the same except for the engine. The maintenance is the same. The time commitment is the same. Regardless of what class you choose to run, there are only a number of guys out there that are willing to put the effort into running in the Sprint class. As far as more affordable, $7500 is not chump change to put out for one of those crate motors. And running at GHR, you are not going to get nearly the amount of nights out of the motor that you would running at Banks, which drives up the cost. If you are going to add a class like this, make sure that the rules will allow the guys that have Limited/Wesco/Sportsman/Crate can all compete. Do whatever needs to be done to welcome all of the teams that want to compete, not just the few that can go out and buy another motor. I myself would rather see a wingless class along the lines of NWWT, which would give the teams a choice to run with or without wings, choice of motor, as well as giving the fans a different style of car, rather than the exact same looking cars that go a little slower. Fix what is wrong with what we have before adding to the dillution of classes...
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| Posted: Friday Aug 10th, 2012 03:01 PM |
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Kyler Member 
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If i might add my 2 cents. I dont know for sure what happend to the sprint class, but it seems to me that you can only run one head type? When the rules change to a spec part it seems to start out fine but as that spec part breaks or gets wore out some teams cant afford to replace. Once that car gets parked for a while it seems harder and harder to get back out and going,next thing you know they are done. Now if they could run what they had in the shop or another non spec part they would be out there racing. I have been at ghr for a few years and know for sure as rules stay the same the car counts increase, look at the hobbys. I also think the mods put on a great show every week and have for many years, should we see more purse? Well with the current USRA rules YES i think the purse needs to be adjusted some more for 5th on back than a top heavy top 3 take all. Yes fred built ghr on sprint car racing, But he also invested time in other classes as well, and that also helped build the track were it is today. I know if it was me running the track and i had to pay the sprint purse with less that 10 cars i would try somthing or be forced to cut the purse. Some may think that it is much cheaper to run a mod and in some ways yes, but we run the same fuel,we tow to the track and pay the back gate. For me to race at ghr weekly it cost right around $300 with no broke parts or tires. Just to cover the entry we had to finish top 3. Well now im just rambling, have a great day. Craig Moore M14
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| Posted: Friday Aug 10th, 2012 03:58 PM |
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Another sprint class is not needed and a mistake. I have to agree improve what is already established. The Chevy crate engines are not the answer. First they are not all that economy you can build a way better much more reliable engine cheaper. Sometime check the parts list and performance possibilites in my add for crate engine alternative and then decide if crate engines are really "economy". The current crate engines installed in sprint cars is a different deal than installing them in late models. They need to have the balance situation adressed and by the time you add the Sunset Speedway special intake, fuel injection, and all it takes to complete the engine to fit and run in a sprint car they are not cheap. This doesnt mention the many thousands people are spending on these crate engines to have them blueprinted to the minumum specs allowed. Wesco engine rules make way more sense if you want cheaper engines. The sealed engine program is a joke in any racing class. I can tell you from past expereince adding another sprint class is not the way to go and it is a good way to further deplete car count numbers. Adding a sealed engine sprint class as Rick Terry stated in his concerns it is a good way to see the demise of sprint cars all together. Has happened in other venues like he stated so this must be considered very very carefully. Last edited on Friday Aug 10th, 2012 05:58 PM by Stipe Engine Spec |
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| Posted: Friday Aug 10th, 2012 04:02 PM |
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Nichole Gamell Member
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Well this seems to be the topic of the past 24 hours. This is just a simple conversation asking the thoughts and I thank each of you for your input. It has brought both positive things and negative, but still great to hear the responses. Just so we are all on the same page, in no way are we looking at replacing or removing the 360 sprints, just thought processing. But it is good to know your thoughts in the matter. As for the comment above regarding the getting done at 11pm....I am the NUMBER ONE PERSON who wants the races over at 10pm. I do not enjoy driving over 2+ hours home. We do our best, but can't predict the yellow or red flags, However we can eliminate all track prep if all drivers just want to drive on the track they get that night, but we also try to give you all a great track surface. So perhaps we should take a vote each night when we think drivers may want a better surface for the mains. Maybe that might help speed the program up. There is not slowing it down for more concession and beer. That's just a silly comment there. I have children too and know that come 9pm they start to melt. 10pm is tops for the little ones. Thank you all again for your input there is lots to be done.
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| Posted: Friday Aug 10th, 2012 04:11 PM |
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If you add another class it should be wingless. The races should be split between GHR, Banks, and Willamette Speedway. Then the ASCS guys could go race with them if they wanted to. Have you noticed that when there is a wingless show somewhere other than Banks the car counts are much higher than most winged shows? Or if wingless is scheduled as a support class they outnumber the winged cars? If most teams are wanting to go wingless racing why are promoters pushing winged racing on us? When the WOO comes thru the northwest you will see what I'm talking about. Here's another idea if you really want to know what the racers really want to do. Schedule winged and non-winged racing at each track on different weeks. Only let cars run one class. Observe. Last edited on Friday Aug 10th, 2012 04:18 PM by Jesse Thistle |
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| Posted: Friday Aug 10th, 2012 04:15 PM |
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I think Rick hit the nail on the head. What is Skagit doing with their sportsman/limited class? They have good car counts and have maintained them for many years. I think the inclusive approach (allowing wesco rules, Cottage Grove rules, Skagit rules, Crate sprint rules) is the way to go. Minor changes can be made to keep things competitive, but let people run stuff they already have or can buy used fairly cheap. I know Cottage Grove sold 25-30 sets of the iron eagle heads (which are the same as Skagit's) and only about 8-10 cars are running there weekly (I suspect the regional economy is effecting that). I also know from personal experience that the CG rules package was very competitive with the Wesco guys at Yakima. Last edited on Friday Aug 10th, 2012 04:16 PM by Tom11 |
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| Posted: Saturday Aug 11th, 2012 02:00 AM |
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Back in early 90's wesco ran their main and filled in the 360 main. That was fun, could get in 55 to 60 laps in a night. Bunch of used to drag down there before ascs head rule. They will not let cast iron motors, any more. Last edited on Saturday Aug 11th, 2012 02:07 AM by #10bsracing ____________________ Branden its all good !!! http://www.freewebs.com/bsracing10/ |
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| Posted: Saturday Aug 11th, 2012 02:39 AM |
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JB Member
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I agree with Dan!!! Work on what u got and y cars are not racing!!! Simple phone calls go along way checking n with racers!!! As for non wingers I.like them alot but u already have two groups that can't figure out they have a good thing and make one big class together!!! But adding another sprint class will hurt the 360s.... its just too big of a track for them jmo
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| Posted: Saturday Aug 11th, 2012 02:48 AM |
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Branden, a year or so ago I was trying to work with WESCO on a deal whereby the NWWT would run the WESCO type Econo engine cars with our Traditional (non-winged) Open engine cars, and there was a seperate incentive package, in fact I believe the 2011 WESCO dirt series was built around our NWWT schedule, but, nobody showed, what happened ??? Maybe something similar could be worked out with GHR for 2013 that would benefit both sides ! By the way, we built up an Econo Sprint just for that 2011 deal, it's still sitting here, only been run a few times, so I for one would like to see the dirt econo cars back, any thoughts ? R.B.
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| Posted: Saturday Aug 11th, 2012 03:10 AM |
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If your going to consider adding a class, consider all of the different limited classes already in the NW. None of them are the same. From canada to oregon, everyone is on a different page. The only thing that is for certain is that it is a limited class, limited on the places you can run. With the exception of home track, None. Consider all of the tracks in the NW that have already a limited sprint program. Now think if they were all the same rules like 360 or 410's. A guy could really expand his racing schedule. There are already national limited sprint programs in place. Use the ASCS 305's. You could easily add 10 tracks in the NW if they would just go to this series. Enough talk of cost. Racing cost money. A quality race car cost money. Enough of the dog and pony show el cheapo classes.
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| Posted: Saturday Aug 11th, 2012 06:35 AM |
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I have typed for hours and deleted 5 potential post in over the last 36 hrs. This shouldn't be, but is a touchy subject. My belief is when you have 30-40 teams on a weekly basis. It might be good to switch it up a bit.......such is not the case. A midget is the better stepping stone to a sprint and the Ford Focus program makes sence. Some will hate this statement, but what I see from every rule put into play that is suppose to make Sprint racing fair and affordable only makes whom ever made it a rule some $$$$. Spec tires sold by the track for example, aren't a rock hard compound that last for 5 races, its a tire a night deal if your a front runner.....better stop myself. If you want to know were your Sprints have gone, CALL THEM. They will tell you. Alot of time and effort goes into these cars and people want it to work. Last edited on Saturday Aug 11th, 2012 03:50 PM by parkerracing ____________________ USCA and Oregon Double Shot Series member for the 11th season....2012 Champ, working on 2013!!! |
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| Posted: Sunday Aug 12th, 2012 07:32 PM |
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Imo, I don't see a Crate/Limited class being a good thing for Grays Harbor. Look around at Car counts. Banks gets 6-7 sprints a week, Cottage Grove had 4 limited sprints last night, and Coos bay gets 5 or 6 every week. There just isn't enough of them to really make a strong class at the current time. Limited Sprints used to be a great entry level class into sprint cars, the problem seems to be that with the economy the way it is you see less people coming into the sport than you did 5-10 years ago. There are still a few people moving up every year, but most of those people have a lot of money and just step right into a 360 with the best equipment money can buy.
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| Posted: Sunday Aug 12th, 2012 08:38 PM |
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Kyle's absolutely right, HOWEVER, there were thirteen (13) Wingless Sprints that qualified and Fifteen (15) that ran the main, so the Wingless Sprints picked up Two (2) additional Limited Sprints by nights end and this is a trend we've been seeing for about Four (4) years, so Jesse's observations are valid, let's see what happens in the next few weeks with wingless numbers ! R.B. Last edited on Sunday Aug 12th, 2012 08:48 PM by NWWT#14 |
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| Posted: Monday Aug 13th, 2012 03:42 AM |
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Kyle Miller wrote: Imo, I don't see a Crate/Limited class being a good thing for Grays Harbor. Look around at Car counts. Banks gets 6-7 sprints a week, Cottage Grove had 4 limited sprints last night, and Coos bay gets 5 or 6 every week. There just isn't enough of them to really make a strong class at the current time. Limited Sprints used to be a great entry level class into sprint cars, the problem seems to be that with the economy the way it is you see less people coming into the sport than you did 5-10 years ago. There are still a few people moving up every year, but most of those people have a lot of money and just step right into a 360 with the best equipment money can buy. You forgot about the Limited class closest to Grays harbor the Sportsmans at Skagit and we had 18 cars last night. I think JB and the guys are right about trying to figure out why the 360's are so far down. However if Elma does decide on limited type class I think the Sportsman model and rule package speaks for itself, highest car counts weekly in the NW.
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| Posted: Monday Aug 13th, 2012 04:31 AM |
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The best sprint car racing at GHR this year, and past has been ASCS-NW tour and especially the national tour. Up until the past couple of years the car count for NW cars has been really good, going all the way back to the Wilskeys. Adding another sprint class other than the econ. class sanctioned by ASCS would be a mistake, and even if it were the ASCS budget cars, how many cars you gonna get? Mabe 5? I believe that instead of adding another sprint class, we need to improve on what we already have. As stated above, make some calls to the folks that have cars parked and inquire why they aren`t racing. We all know how tight money is right now, but try and give them some incentive to come out. As I watched last night`s A-Feature (Thanks Aaron) it occured to me why it was such a dog: 5 cars does not make a race because there are no lappers to negotiate and no cautions. What the end result is, is a real yawner that folks won`t keep paying to see. In the end it`s got to be 75% poor economy thatis keeping racers and fans at home so...VOTE in November! Griz
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| Posted: Monday Aug 13th, 2012 05:14 AM |
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When I was down South a couple of months ago, racing was every Fri. Sat. & Sunday at different tracks, back east was the same way, good car counts in all divisions lots of the same cars at all three tracks, if there was a rainout at one track & another track was running that same night they could go to it & run. Lots of talking between the promoters to off set special shows to get max participation with drivers, owners & fans. All the tracks up here in the NW do everything they can to go head to head with special shows in stead of streching things out to get the maxium effect for the fans & drivers. Different rules for each track so a driver can't go to another track if a rain out happens, a lot of cars sitting because this one does't like this track or that promotor, at one time I heard that this area was crawling with tracks & they ran 3 nights a week, the promoters worked together & the cars & fans would go to all of them & the car counts where good. After pushing at a lot of these different tracks here in the NW both dirt & asphalt & seeing how many clubs, classes, & everything they have here & as many cars are just sitting because of one reason or another, alot of them are so close to one another with just enough of a rule change to keep them from running together, it's time to start looking at things & maybe it's time for the promotors & clubs to get together try to join forces with one another, make it better for the tracks, fans & maybe make it more inticing to get sponsors. Another class, maybe, but everybody working togher to improve what we do have would be fantastic better for everyone concerned. It's just my thoughts. 
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| Posted: Monday Aug 13th, 2012 06:47 AM |
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Is it just the fact that all Sprint car racing is down in numbers every where? Also how many different sprint classes are there out there? Maybe uniform the rules? Allow open heads (but restricted) to run with the ASCS heads on a local level kinda like the NSCS was and Skagit is? Just a thought.
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| Posted: Monday Aug 13th, 2012 04:19 PM |
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Kyle Miller Member
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speedbuggy wrote: Is it just the fact that all Sprint car racing is down in numbers every where? Also how many different sprint classes are there out there? Maybe uniform the rules? Allow open heads (but restricted) to run with the ASCS heads on a local level kinda like the NSCS was and Skagit is? Just a thought. You may just see something like this in 2013... 
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| Posted: Monday Aug 13th, 2012 04:33 PM |
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Rick Terry Administrator
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Kyle Miller wrote:speedbuggy wrote:Is it just the fact that all Sprint car racing is down in numbers every where? Also how many different sprint classes are there out there? Maybe uniform the rules? Allow open heads (but restricted) to run with the ASCS heads on a local level kinda like the NSCS was and Skagit is? Just a thought. Restricted heads get my vote. It has already been proven to even the playing field. We need more cars running together!
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| Posted: Monday Aug 13th, 2012 05:01 PM |
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Mel Roberts Member
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speedbuggy wrote:Is it just the fact that all Sprint car racing is down in numbers every where? Also how many different sprint classes are there out there? Maybe uniform the rules? Allow open heads (but restricted) to run with the ASCS heads on a local level kinda like the NSCS was and Skagit is? Just a thought.,,and youl get the 1 open headed motor that's left in the NW just like skagit does and its not running Elma,any time soon
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| Posted: Monday Aug 13th, 2012 05:38 PM |
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Sprintcar9 Member
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[Wingless 360 iron block] there are your rules other than safety. Go have fun
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| Posted: Tuesday Aug 14th, 2012 06:50 PM |
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HarleyTom Member 
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First I do agree with Rick T and sprintdan in most of what they said. And we do need to ask the sprint drivers what is missing or what can be changed, us fans can come up with all kinds of ideals that sounds good but the drivers and car owners know more about it than we do. Just a little info about me and I'm not bragging: Back in the 90's I promoted motocross for 4 yrs, our weekly events were aprox. 75 riders per event, then I starting asking the riders and their parents with kids as young as 9 yrs to 17 yrs old what could be changed, to make this story short, well when I left the track here in PA it now has over 300 riders per event. Not saying I did everything, I had some awesome helpers each race like GHR does and I hooked up with one of the best santions CMC from Calif. Stew Peters the owner started promoting way back in the 60's and still is to this day. Let all keep our Northwest Dirt Track GHR going it is still the best and we all have to have team work for each event so lets uncover and dust off the sprints cars and bring them back to GHR. See you this @ next weeks race..... Thanks and let also keep our nwracechat going!... surfs up,,,,,,,,,,, Harley Tom
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| Posted: Tuesday Aug 14th, 2012 08:55 PM |
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Romig22 Member 
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I know myself and probably at least 2 other cars would be running Elma this year if they allowed open head motors!
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| Posted: Tuesday Aug 14th, 2012 09:43 PM |
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MadMack96x Member 
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It would be a shame to try & develop another class of open wheel sprint cars @ Elma. There are quite a few older open motored 360's sitting in garages now that would love to come out & run Elma. ASCS is a great program. But when Elma went to the ASCS only rules a lot of the car count had to be parked. It didn't make sense for the tighter dollar teams to spend thousands of dollars to swap over. A set of resticter gaskets & you would likley double your car count or more. Our biggest expense is our tire bill. You hear a lot about track surface & crappy tires. A hard set of tires will cut down the biggest expense & equalize the older open 360's, ASCS motored cars & the big open 360's. A couple of minimal rule changes and you would increase your car count considerably. You have to buy gaskets for the winter rebuild & new tires to start the season. The teams that want to run the 2 or 3 ASCS weekend shows @ Elma are good, the older "garaged cars" are good, car count is up.... All good. jmo PS: Listen to the guys, make a few calls. Find out what's up. Doug Brown
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| Posted: Tuesday Aug 14th, 2012 10:35 PM |
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NWWT#14 Member
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OR run Wingless (fewer tire bills & fewer engine rebuilds) with NWWT/ODSS engine rules, come one/come all, it's the same for everybody !
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